Message from @fallot

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2017-04-22 22:51:58 UTC  

While Athens was a democracy of about 500 people

2017-04-22 22:52:06 UTC  

Until it wasn't.

2017-04-22 22:52:09 UTC  

it had lots of eras

2017-04-22 22:52:10 UTC  

Dugin thinks the battle of Sparta and Athens is a story as long as history, namely, the conflict between continental Empires (Sparta, Russia) and Seafaring (Athens, USA)

2017-04-22 22:52:17 UTC  

Tyrant athens still > Sparta

2017-04-22 22:52:24 UTC  

He thinks continentals are naturally, superior

2017-04-22 22:52:36 UTC  

and characterized by idealism, ideology of soil, and spirituality

2017-04-22 22:52:44 UTC  

Athens is not a real seafaring empire.

2017-04-22 22:52:49 UTC  

yeah

2017-04-22 22:52:57 UTC  

Well, it also was in a way compared to other rivals

2017-04-22 22:52:59 UTC  

It just conquered places to get more men.

2017-04-22 22:53:03 UTC  

It was unmatched at sea, even by Persia

2017-04-22 22:53:08 UTC  

There's no distinction l

2017-04-22 22:53:17 UTC  

In how they actually work.

2017-04-22 22:53:25 UTC  

Yes but their conquest was typical mercantilist

2017-04-22 22:53:26 UTC  

Other than the Metropole is farther away.

2017-04-22 22:53:38 UTC  

I agree the distinction doesn't really make itself evident

2017-04-22 22:53:39 UTC  

they didnt want more men, instead they wanted trading privilleges and exclusive zones

2017-04-22 22:53:41 UTC  

martial vs. mercantile?

2017-04-22 22:53:50 UTC  

No, they pretty much showed up with a few hundred guys and took over your small City....

2017-04-22 22:53:50 UTC  

nah

2017-04-22 22:53:53 UTC  

yeah

2017-04-22 22:53:54 UTC  

it was all the same game

2017-04-22 22:53:57 UTC  

for everyone

2017-04-22 22:53:59 UTC  

i dont think martial vs mercantile is good division

2017-04-22 22:54:12 UTC  

British were both martial, and undoubtedly seafaring and commecial

2017-04-22 22:54:14 UTC  

just best-fitting what you said

2017-04-22 22:54:18 UTC  

fair enough

2017-04-22 22:54:25 UTC  

The only difference is Athens appointmented a military governor above the city government

2017-04-22 22:54:35 UTC  

And Sparta just appointed a military governor

2017-04-22 22:54:38 UTC  

I just mentioned Dugins position, I do not necessarily agree with it, though it has alot of merit

2017-04-22 22:54:44 UTC  

But nothing could be done without him.

2017-04-22 22:54:57 UTC  

Or if he died, chaos ensured usually.

2017-04-22 22:55:16 UTC  

Oh and killing him meant the Garrison sacks the city from the inside.

2017-04-22 22:55:28 UTC  

I also don't think Russia today is an archetypal example of a continental idealistic nation, when i think of it, no nation is today

2017-04-22 22:55:48 UTC  

yes, Dugin is philoislamic

2017-04-22 22:56:03 UTC  

he is Eurasian after all

2017-04-22 22:56:19 UTC  

The vast majority of Muslims are not traditional anymore

2017-04-22 22:56:24 UTC  

As they gain literacy

2017-04-22 22:56:36 UTC  

They pick and choose like everyone else.