Message from @The Enlightened Shepherd
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I think, and this is quite heretical, that Athenians possesed a greater measure of *patriotism* despite their all shortcomings
no I agree
As slave raiding then meant they would go kill you all and rape your women.
Athens was a much more stable society
No it wasnt....
the spirit of Athens could have lasted
the spirit of Sparta, likely not
Sparta was more stable, though it had problems with frequent slave revolts
Athens had a failed Empire
Sparta was more stable, except it wasn't
Athens had other problems
Athens overshot their hand
but take the basic Athenian society
Sparta had a much more stable political system.
While Athens was a democracy of about 500 people
Until it wasn't.
it had lots of eras
Dugin thinks the battle of Sparta and Athens is a story as long as history, namely, the conflict between continental Empires (Sparta, Russia) and Seafaring (Athens, USA)
Tyrant athens still > Sparta
He thinks continentals are naturally, superior
Athens is not a real seafaring empire.
yeah
Well, it also was in a way compared to other rivals
It just conquered places to get more men.
It was unmatched at sea, even by Persia
There's no distinction l
In how they actually work.
Yes but their conquest was typical mercantilist
Other than the Metropole is farther away.
I agree the distinction doesn't really make itself evident
they didnt want more men, instead they wanted trading privilleges and exclusive zones
martial vs. mercantile?
No, they pretty much showed up with a few hundred guys and took over your small City....
nah
yeah
it was all the same game
for everyone
i dont think martial vs mercantile is good division
British were both martial, and undoubtedly seafaring and commecial
just best-fitting what you said