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2017-05-20 19:19:13 UTC  

`In Genealogy of Morals, He goes further:`

2017-05-20 19:19:18 UTC  

The act of most spiritual revenge. It was the Jews who, with awe inspiring consistency, dared to invert the aristocratic value-equation (good = noble = powerful = beautiful = happy = beloved of God) and to hang onto this inversion with their teeth, the teeth of the most abysmal hatred (the hatred of impotence), saying, “the wretched alone are the good; the suffering, deprived, sick, ugly alone are pious, alone are blessed by God . . . and you, the powerful and noble, are on the contrary the evil, the cruel, the lustful, the insatiable, the godless to all eternity, and you shall be in all eternity the unblessed, the accursed, and damned!

2017-05-20 19:19:28 UTC  

`Rather than adopting the values of the Romans, the Hebrews took their station in life and examined it from a new perspective. Instead of seeing themselves as failures when competing for Power and Wealth against the Romans, they inverted their ideological alignment and re-branded their ressentiment into a form of self-righteousness. This self-righteousness, this new moral footing they had found, provided ample opportunity to re-value not only their ressentiment but their entire value system, ultimately forming a morality not so much concerned with attaining a good life as it was with lambasting those who did. Thus, asceticism was borne anew, re-branding the lack of ability to have a good life as an active choice, and a morally ‘good’ choice at that. In abstaining from the pleasures of this world, many imagined that they would be morally permitted to enjoy pleasures even hence unknown in ‘the next life’, as recompense for their suffering in this one. One can easily see how this moral perspective was attractive to the underclass of its time. In a world where you cannot obtain the good life, pretending that the poor circumstances you find yourself in is a virtue is a good way to rationalize and sustain your existence in this life.`

2017-05-20 19:19:37 UTC  

`It is on the basis of this analysis that Christian morality is inherently a form of slave morality’s ressentiment towards the masters, and provides an impotent form of revenge in providing the moral foundation for those of the underclass to pass judgement on those of the upper. The embrace of the downtrodden, poor, oppressed, passive, and meek as those of true moral character, coupled with a denial of wealth, power, strength, self-assertion, and dominance as a moral failing is pervasive throughout the Christian New Testament. The very center of the religion’s iconography, Jesus Christ, a physical manifestation of God upon this Earth as his ‘son’, helps to show this. He is a man borne from low status, had every ‘virtue’ of slave morality thrust upon him by his destiny, and overcame the ruling Romans to return to Heaven, that next life his followers and followers of slave morality dream of. In the Christian mythos, during his life, he rebuked the powerful and wealthy, he embraced the poor, sickly, and oppressed, and he did all of this while maintaining a lifestyle of a Roman underclassman. It is my belief that Christianity’s major value proposition from a perspective of utility is that it provides an underclass with a moral foundation that spiritually and psychologically sustains a ‘slave’ class, be it racial, sexual, economic, etc, under such a burden. It acts as a lever does, reducing the weight associated with life as an underclassman of various sorts.`

2017-05-20 19:20:08 UTC  

Author of this makes a mistake himself

2017-05-20 19:20:17 UTC  

"re-branding the lack of ability to have a good life as an active choice"

2017-05-20 19:20:23 UTC  

He makes a same value statement

2017-05-20 19:20:25 UTC  

"good life"

2017-05-20 19:20:45 UTC  

I mean "value" in a sense of a pretense of standards

2017-05-20 19:21:06 UTC  

This was a danger of Nietzsche's philosophy

2017-05-20 19:21:26 UTC  

TLDR that shit nigger

2017-05-20 19:21:35 UTC  

I am starting to get a migraine so I am definitely not reading all that

2017-05-20 19:21:57 UTC  

I know what master/slave morality is already

2017-05-20 19:22:03 UTC  

@Deleted User 57835c2c that's the TLDR. You should read the whole post. It's one of the best posts on the internet.

2017-05-20 19:22:10 UTC  

It's overconfident certainity in believing how only enjoyment of fruits of life mean a "good" life

2017-05-20 19:22:12 UTC  

PM me and I will read it later

2017-05-20 19:22:30 UTC  

While there perfectly exist individuals to whom these same fruits are nothing but a basic precondition

2017-05-20 19:22:50 UTC  

the thing master/slave morality talk fucks up is that while slave morality is always universalist and wrong, there are many possible master moralities and not all of them are equally good

2017-05-20 19:23:02 UTC  

that's what I have explored in detail and not many else have

2017-05-20 19:23:11 UTC  

Speaking of best posts on the internet that you should read and the free market, this one is a must read too: http://www.amerika.org/politics/leftism-is-a-business/

2017-05-20 19:24:12 UTC  

@Deleted User 57835c2c Again with the GOOD for who

2017-05-20 19:24:36 UTC  

For an Aristocrat, wealth was a basic precondition, for a trader, it was a sign of virtue and "success" in life itself

2017-05-20 19:24:40 UTC  

That is the whole purpose of master morality. It's not good for everyone.

2017-05-20 19:25:01 UTC  

good for nordic aryan brahmins

2017-05-20 19:25:04 UTC  

That's why a society conceived by a trader considers every kind of economic prospect or undertaking a good thing, no matter how ville

2017-05-20 19:25:22 UTC  

a society conceived by a vaishya runs into the problems prophecied in the vedas, yes

2017-05-20 19:25:27 UTC  

none of this shit is new, it's thousands of years old

2017-05-20 19:25:46 UTC  

Well, that's where Nietzsche didn't graduate

2017-05-20 19:26:01 UTC  

have you read books other than neechuh?

2017-05-20 19:26:08 UTC  

He didn't understand that for some people, a meal is nothing buta basic precondition for life, while for others, it's an end goal of everything

2017-05-20 19:26:22 UTC  

we call those "italians"

2017-05-20 19:26:48 UTC  

He didn't understand that people are not equal?

2017-05-20 19:28:31 UTC  

Italians in Italy itself while we are at it, eat quite basic and simple cuisine

2017-05-20 19:29:44 UTC  

Although Italy’s obesity problem might be considered mild in comparison to many of its neighbouring constituents (the country boasts one of the lowest adulthood obesity rates in Europe [approximately 10% of the population]), childhood obesity rates are notoriously considered one of the highest (36% for boys and 34% for girls)1. In addition, WHO projections forewarn that by 2030 rising prevalence could see disease rates nearly double for certain populations.

2017-05-20 19:30:27 UTC  

Considering who are the young in Italy, it doesn't surprise me

2017-05-20 19:30:31 UTC  

make-a me a pizza

2017-05-20 19:39:54 UTC  

I am starting to think the fictional society portrayed in shinsekai yori really was not so bad

2017-05-20 19:40:05 UTC  

I'd make a few key modifications but the basis of it was generally good

2017-05-20 19:52:28 UTC  

do you still think you're a christian exilarch

2017-05-20 19:52:45 UTC  

I am a mormon