i wish they allowed this kinda debate in high schools

i feel like i learn more listening to yall argue than what i ever did when we had lecture

i just hope college isn't going to be this stressful thing where students and professors do everything in their power to not let education happen

thanks

no one has any interest for you to learn anything in school

you could create your own business in the end and become a competitor

http://www.amerika.org/politics/generation-z-introduces-its-own-art-form/

@say It's irrelevant if anyone cares about it. The point is simply that Heartiste, an star in the constellation of internet philosophy that trickles through r/theredpill (also includes Roosh, Rollo Tomassi, etc) believes that he has the answer to an enormous and complex issue and can give it to me in 1500 words. He doesn't, but he doesn't KNOW he doesn't, because he, like most of these idiots, has a really unfortunate combination of arrogance and laziness

also, I care about it, because it's my field.

What specifically is he wrong about

his most fundamental flaw is his perception of how subsidies work and why they exist.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/06/07/alpha-of-the-month-2/

I won't get into the how they work part, because the difference between a grant and a tax credit is dry. But his perception of the necessity for subsidies is flawed. He ignores the fact that electricity production is not a free market.

Get into it

So his arguments about renewables ability to stand in a free market without subsidies are completely irrelevant

haha I will do my best in the 15 or so minutes I have here

Just overview

@UOC heartiste hasn't been on redpill for 3 years. you picked a bad example with the renewable energy bullshit, that's not his specialty.

Then why is he talking about it?

That's my point

Don't know. I don't care, you want info on renewable energy read ecology site or whatever. It's your fault for expecting top info about that from a blog that writes about pick up and trump.

Come on.

Right is right

Wrong is wrong

Its not personal

@fallot basically, most subsidies to renewables are offered through what are referred to as federal tax credits. a certain amount of the investment in qualified residential, commercial, or utility-scale solar systems. This was established in the energy policy act of 2005. It's a subsidy because it's tax money on investments the feds OTHERWISE would have taken from investors. It's not money that comes out of a general tax pool and goes TO renewable generators.

which is what Heartiste is implying.

so renewable energy providers get tax breaks

that's the subsidy

is this what you are saying

yes

should they get tax breaks?

I'm getting there.

okay

I bet he smells horrible

who, heartiste?

The 2005 EPAct I mentioned is an expansion of a 1978 statute called PURPA, which was implemented following the oil crises of the late 70s

for national security reasons

Fartiste

Congress on a bipartisan basis decided that it would be sensible to expand our energy portfolio into small-scale and decentralized renewable generation to avoid what happened under Carter during the OPEC crises

At that time, small-scale renewable generation was MUCH more expensive that fossil fuel generated power, but the national security reasons for having it (at least on a small scale) were important enough to both subsidize it through tax credits and to force utilities to buy from small generators under PURPA