Message from @UOC

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2017-08-03 21:31:49 UTC  

which I think is particularly clever because it would rope in normies to become race conscious

2017-08-03 21:31:53 UTC  

Where our government is a computerized Overlord and changes the political operating system

2017-08-03 21:32:54 UTC  

Love the idea of the app. Seems like you could only exclude leftists through marketing/branding of the app.

2017-08-03 21:33:49 UTC  

@comcast well for any election that runs on a primary system it would be easy enough to just not include the leftist candidates, making the app far less useful

2017-08-03 21:34:05 UTC  

Right, no info at all about the opposition

2017-08-03 21:34:08 UTC  

right

2017-08-03 21:34:34 UTC  

and then yes, internal branding and culture would be powerfully exclusionary too

2017-08-03 21:34:50 UTC  

especially if it did something like inform you if the candidate was jewish or something

2017-08-03 21:35:07 UTC  

like a little yellow star icon

2017-08-03 21:35:20 UTC  

Apple wouldn't carry that lmao

2017-08-03 21:36:37 UTC  

They would not

2017-08-03 21:37:14 UTC  

politics is arcane

2017-08-03 21:38:01 UTC  

if the alt-right wants to shift the american right's trajectory, it needs to seize the right's structure, which is basically the state party organizations

2017-08-03 21:38:32 UTC  

so an app aimed at alt-rightists that provided insight into local party structure and procedure in a digestible and actionable way would be very disruptive

2017-08-03 21:40:36 UTC  

more importantly, it would encourage some subset of users who have the right skillset to not just show up for votes, but join and involve themselves and carry their alt-rightist views into the party structure.

2017-08-03 21:44:38 UTC  

that part requires a certain cohesive ideological / policy platform though, which is the foundational political work that I'm not really sure is being done at this point. Arguably Land and Moldbug and Jared Taylor, then some random outliers like Pat Buchanan

2017-08-03 21:45:44 UTC  

There's also the old school dudes like Mencken and Spengler and Gentile and etc but those just have to be influences, they can't be the source of policy for a modern party

2017-08-03 21:57:44 UTC  

What the alt-right needs is people who have like public policy doctorates, econ phds, legal, military, or governmental experience to start a think-tank and publish some policy papers that provide data-driven policy proposals for alt-right positions such as immigration or corporate personhood or import tariffs on the federal level, and regulatory stuff on the state level. Legislatures and lobbyists rely on these proposals and studies to introduce bills and argue for their new laws.

2017-08-03 21:59:42 UTC  

That tactic, in turn, depends on a philosophical/theoretical unification or at least general clustering of the alt-right as a cohesive platform. Like, how do we think a state should run? What should it pay for and what should it not pay for? Do the anarcho/libertarian elements of the alt-right impede our ability to use the state to encourage certain cultural pursuits and discourage others?

2017-08-03 22:00:22 UTC  

what is the appropriate balance between state and federal power? Fascists might disagree with Libertarians or Trad types.

2017-08-03 22:01:14 UTC  

Having determined that federalism question, what changes need to be made? Does the supreme court need to quit using the Commerce Clause to expand federal power?

2017-08-03 22:01:42 UTC  

there's no well-resolved picture of what a government would look like from us yet.

2017-08-03 22:05:49 UTC  

At least, not within the current constitutional framework. Certainly some people would argue we should institute nazi germany or the monarchy or an anarchist non-state and just ignore the constitution.

2017-08-03 22:06:04 UTC  

One option. But i think not a very likely one in the next few decades

2017-08-03 22:16:42 UTC  

@UOC I AM NOT SURE THAT POLICY PAPERS WILL WORK, GIVEN THE LOW TRUST IN INSTITUTIONS

2017-08-03 22:16:46 UTC  

BUT IT IS AN INTERESTING IDEA

2017-08-03 22:18:11 UTC  

I think it's just something that needs to be there. It's not the motivating force or the main driver or anything. But at some point somebody is going to have to pass a law with specific policy positions.

2017-08-03 22:18:27 UTC  

unless there's a real revolution obviously

2017-08-03 22:21:08 UTC  

it's the boring part, except for spergs like me who like it

2017-08-03 22:24:28 UTC  

this kind of thing

2017-08-03 22:24:30 UTC  

but more

2017-08-03 22:32:47 UTC  

Are you guys chatting? @diversity_is_racism @comcast

2017-08-03 22:35:02 UTC  

@Parasite I AM LAGGING

2017-08-03 22:35:09 UTC  

ARE YOU JOINING IN?

2017-08-03 22:35:36 UTC  

Sure maybe in a few minutes, just waiting for Anti-Cimex album to end

2017-08-03 22:41:50 UTC  

I'm in now

2017-08-03 22:49:56 UTC  

woo, sent all of my quote requests

2017-08-03 22:52:56 UTC  

congrats

2017-08-03 22:54:02 UTC  

hopefully spergs reply quickly