The most straightforward song in the album, I Feel Nothing: A->B->C1->C2->D->C1->C2->E->B->F->G1->G2->F->G1->G2->A->B->E

I'm liking it

I'm listening to it now as well, @UOC

I dunno anything about Alabama candidates

I was worried I wouldn't like it because some tech death loses the music for me but this is great

This isn't tech death

It's just technical

Like suffocation is technical

Yeah

I'm just saying that there is a risk that musicality is sacrificed for innovation or complexity or whatever

which I end up being interested in but not enjoying much musically

here in after the song is tight

I can't think of examples of bands being hurt by technicality.

The tech death bands say nothing complicatedly.

If you subtract their complexity from them, you would end up with nothing still.

well if it's good it doesn't suffer from being technical

Actually "technical" is a horrible descriptor.

but if it's bad, technicality won't save it for me

It doesn't explain anything important.

It would make sense to group chicken statues with other chicken statues, and cow statues with cow statues.

But not statues made with chisels with other statues made with chisels, and statues made with hammer and nail with statues made with hammer and nail.

Technical = this music is hard to play.

So what?

well if i were going to try to break what I mean down, I mean something like the use of more complex musical ideas and structures like atypical time sigs / changing time sigs; music composed in rare modes or even more esoteric composition approaches like chromaticism or stochastic shit influenced by classical guys like Cage or Penderecki or Stockhausen; music that abandons the pop/rock structure and more traditional classical structures

nothing is wrong with any of that

but many attempts to explore music through those means fail

these guys do some of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCFEETZX3SY

some new Ihsahn stuff

is an unsuccessful exploration to me

Leprous

basically all djent lol

Gorguts sometimes verges on failure

Yes, but that tells you the how of the music, not what the music is about. The point of music is to say things, it makes most sense to categorize it on the basis of what it says. Technical bands like Immolation and Suffocation have much more in common with less technical bands like Pestilence and Autopsy than they do with Necrophagist and Spawn of Possession...etc.

I totally agree

I'm just saying that some bands who to me don't seem to have a decent artistic vision

still attempt a lot of musical complexity

and that is a certain flavor of uninteresting to me

Most good dm bands eschew pop structure, tech bands like immolation and suffocation aren't at all unique.

Yes, because musical genres now are meaningless niches.

Like porn genres.