Message from @Jigsaw

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2017-08-26 18:06:46 UTC  

just like a lot of modern liberalism originates from protestant christianity

2017-08-26 18:06:58 UTC  

understand @Jigsaw that he does not recognize anything non-abrahamic as a religion

2017-08-26 18:07:04 UTC  

wrong

2017-08-26 18:07:26 UTC  

its really simple, adhere to a true faith (any historical faith)

2017-08-26 18:07:30 UTC  

he essentially sees nazism as just man's pride attempting to reach for heaven without god's sanction, another tower of babel

2017-08-26 18:07:32 UTC  

and you are religious

2017-08-26 18:07:40 UTC  

that's about right

2017-08-26 18:07:54 UTC  

its a falsely utopian ideology just like communism

2017-08-26 18:08:08 UTC  

Nazism doesn't really stand for anything, it stands against some bad things

2017-08-26 18:08:28 UTC  

but in itself, its not really anything except common sense, false solidarity, and control

2017-08-26 18:08:32 UTC  

keep in mind also that fallot is a pakistani muslim

2017-08-26 18:08:36 UTC  

it would have inevitably devolved into totalitarianism

2017-08-26 18:08:50 UTC  

I'd say an esoteric belief in a greater being or beings is the ''National Socialist religion'', a return to Germanic paganism in a way, at least it was for Himmler and Rosenberg.

2017-08-26 18:09:03 UTC  

they did not TRULY adhere to these though

2017-08-26 18:09:07 UTC  

it wasn't germanic paganism, it was aryan paganism

2017-08-26 18:09:10 UTC  

did they have the same mindset as the pagans they larped?

2017-08-26 18:09:20 UTC  

that's an important distinction to make

2017-08-26 18:09:20 UTC  

no, it was an original occultist ritualistic thing

2017-08-26 18:09:29 UTC  

more akin to freemasonry than any pagan belief

2017-08-26 18:09:45 UTC  

they did something much like me, looking into aryan origins and reading the books

2017-08-26 18:09:59 UTC  

Rosenberg? Quite sure he did, have you read 'Myth of the 20'th Century'?

2017-08-26 18:10:15 UTC  

Goes over his belief pretty well, so far at least, haven't finished it.

2017-08-26 18:10:57 UTC  

As for Hitler, I'm certain he didn't adhere to any specific branch of Christian faith, but he belived in a single god or all powerful figure that he had a deep faith in.

2017-08-26 18:11:22 UTC  

Some evidence would lead me to believe this 'providence' as he often reffered to it as, was Wotan.

2017-08-26 18:11:29 UTC  

But nothing can be surely said.

2017-08-26 18:12:17 UTC  

I haven't gotten much out of nordic paganism, personally

2017-08-26 18:12:34 UTC  

I read the sagas of the icelanders and it was pretty good, but the actual norse religion hasn't done much for me

2017-08-26 18:15:03 UTC  

I identify as a Christian, mainly out of a deep faith in a single higher figure that I'm certain is there, and simply that faith is a must as a means of continuing life with some kind of purpose.

2017-08-26 18:16:00 UTC  

Paganism for me, is something that is dead, I don't say this to offend Pagans, and I do have an interest in it, but I simply believe it can never be relevent on a major scale again.

2017-08-26 18:16:19 UTC  

even pagan gurus like varg do not actually believe in it

2017-08-26 18:16:55 UTC  

it's literal larping

2017-08-26 18:17:06 UTC  

that doesn't make it bad but it makes it more of a reenactment exercise than a religion

2017-08-26 18:17:54 UTC  

I respect it, but it's long been dead, and you're right when it comes to the LARP, the only active 'pagan' religion would be Wicca, which is simply Witchcraft and filled with deviant trash.

2017-08-26 18:18:26 UTC  

what makes it dead to me is the sincere lack of people with specific assertions they genuinely believe

2017-08-26 18:18:40 UTC  

nobody believes odin will take them to viking heaven or whatever

2017-08-26 18:19:07 UTC  

nobody believes there are fairies or trolls in the forest

2017-08-26 18:19:18 UTC  

largely because there is no forest for them to believe that about, because they cut down the forest to make suburbs

2017-08-26 18:19:57 UTC  

Paganism never evolved, It's an ancient religion, there is no real way you can emulate it in the modern day.

2017-08-26 18:20:11 UTC  

As you said, no one thinks Odin will take them to Valhalla.

2017-08-26 18:20:49 UTC  

boo oOo

2017-08-26 18:20:58 UTC  

Most of the Nordic images used by the Nazis were out of the sake of tradition, since Paganism is deeply rooted in German myth.