Milton Keynes is post-car

for that matter so is Islamabad

Islamabad is arranged in a grid

there are various sectors, each sector has a centrepoint which is a commercial area

If the city is built post-car in a non-car-scale, then its likely to be horribly crowded and chaotic with cars

sort of like a town centre

its very modular

it's the best modern city design I've encountered yet

but it is a bit artificial

that is a related but conceptually distinct zoning practice

you should go to Los Angeles or Phoenix AZ sometime

car cities

horrible

I've google mapped American cities

they do look horrible

they are unpleasant human environments

are you sure that is entirely cars

I think the sheer free space

in the US

also contributes

Sheer free space is definitely a factor is residentially zoned areas

but the root of the problem I believe to be car culture

you're probably right

because residentially zoned areas don't exist in cities the way they do now absent car culture

I think I read an MPC thread about it

suburbs and exurbs

oh yes

Islamabad sort of feels like one big suburb

the older big paki cities have similar issues

also contributes to heat island effect since access is determined only by more driveable asphalt and concrete

as US ones

cities are hotter, less shady, less pleasant

louder, brighter, more polluted

more dangerous for cyclists and pedestrians

I don't want to be a luddite - cars are probably better than being knee deep in horse shit all the time

and they're great for getting from city to city

but I think intra-city travel should be reconsidered

yeah

de-scale the world

but in temperament, I doubt you are a local-ist

you seem more likely to think its a good and beautiful idea