Message from @UOC

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2017-08-27 22:40:18 UTC  

That fucking Ford pickups

2017-08-27 22:40:19 UTC  

I hate cars

2017-08-27 22:40:24 UTC  

they scream AMERICA

2017-08-27 22:40:33 UTC  

none should be allowed in city zoned areas

2017-08-27 22:41:05 UTC  

they ruin cities by requiring cities to be built around car-scale, not human-scale, and car-needs, not human-needs

2017-08-27 22:41:44 UTC  

do they? A UK city would be unlikely to be built like that

2017-08-27 22:41:48 UTC  

closest is Milton Keynes

2017-08-27 22:41:50 UTC  

UK city built before cars

2017-08-27 22:41:57 UTC  

even new cities I mean

2017-08-27 22:42:03 UTC  

Milton Keynes is post-car

2017-08-27 22:42:18 UTC  

for that matter so is Islamabad

2017-08-27 22:42:26 UTC  

Islamabad is arranged in a grid

2017-08-27 22:42:47 UTC  

there are various sectors, each sector has a centrepoint which is a commercial area

2017-08-27 22:42:48 UTC  

If the city is built post-car in a non-car-scale, then its likely to be horribly crowded and chaotic with cars

2017-08-27 22:42:50 UTC  

sort of like a town centre

2017-08-27 22:42:53 UTC  

its very modular

2017-08-27 22:43:10 UTC  

it's the best modern city design I've encountered yet

2017-08-27 22:43:13 UTC  

but it is a bit artificial

2017-08-27 22:43:13 UTC  

that is a related but conceptually distinct zoning practice

2017-08-27 22:44:38 UTC  

you should go to Los Angeles or Phoenix AZ sometime

2017-08-27 22:44:44 UTC  

car cities

2017-08-27 22:44:47 UTC  

horrible

2017-08-27 22:44:50 UTC  

I've google mapped American cities

2017-08-27 22:44:53 UTC  

they do look horrible

2017-08-27 22:45:17 UTC  

they are unpleasant human environments

2017-08-27 22:45:21 UTC  

are you sure that is entirely cars

2017-08-27 22:45:24 UTC  

I think the sheer free space

2017-08-27 22:45:25 UTC  

in the US

2017-08-27 22:45:27 UTC  

also contributes

2017-08-27 22:45:43 UTC  

Sheer free space is definitely a factor is residentially zoned areas

2017-08-27 22:45:58 UTC  

but the root of the problem I believe to be car culture

2017-08-27 22:46:12 UTC  

you're probably right

2017-08-27 22:46:17 UTC  

because residentially zoned areas don't exist in cities the way they do now absent car culture

2017-08-27 22:46:18 UTC  

I think I read an MPC thread about it

2017-08-27 22:46:22 UTC  

suburbs and exurbs

2017-08-27 22:46:27 UTC  

oh yes

2017-08-27 22:46:34 UTC  

Islamabad sort of feels like one big suburb

2017-08-27 22:47:26 UTC  

the older big paki cities have similar issues

2017-08-27 22:47:31 UTC  

also contributes to heat island effect since access is determined only by more driveable asphalt and concrete

2017-08-27 22:47:33 UTC  

as US ones

2017-08-27 22:47:41 UTC  

cities are hotter, less shady, less pleasant