90% of the time coalburners fuck a nog and make a niglet, the nigger buck leaves

90%

82% on government assistance? the fuck

@J · the issue is qualia

what explains subjective experience

a reductionist interpretation can tell you how the brain works

it can't tell you why red is red

thats where im having issue i think, the last thing you said

where it's like in the article "it can explain why you see red, but not why you feel red"

that just makes no sense to me

the word feel should not have been used

when you see red, you see something, why do you see that something?

why does red have redness?

we assume everyone sees the same red when they see red

in their subjective experience

if some people saw a different "red"

how could you tell via reductionism?

yeah we do but not much changes if you assume they see the spectrum differently to me

not being unable to see red

so assuming you wouldn't be able to tell by examining their eyes and they see a different red because of something neurological

how could you tell?

yeah, assuming that's all the same

imagine a clone of you in every physical way

who sees your "red" as your "blue" and vice versa

and understands everything in those terms

and in the situation where that isn't actually a phenomenon that could exist

hmm?

I didn't understand your last sentence

hang on i need to organise my thoughts, this is new territory for me

what were you saying about the clone

in my current understanding I would think that there would not be a situation where there was a physically identical clone to me that saw red and blue differently to me, after all we're physically identical

how can you say so

how would you be able to tell

what I was saying about the clone is imagine one, identical to you in every physical way, who in their subjective experience sees your "red and "blue" switched

nothing would change about the way they apparently perceive the world

after all, they still see both those wavelengths of light

while your red is his blue, you wont be able to tell the difference if you sit down and talk to him about it

or compare looking at pictures etc.

I worked my arms out yesterday and they don't feel sore, is it ok to work them out again today?

yeah I would agree that there would be no way of knowing that there is a difference, and other people might well perceive colours differently to me but they're also not physically identical to me

yeah