Message from @fallot

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2017-12-24 17:42:00 UTC  

that defines intuition using the word intuition, it is circular

2017-12-24 17:42:16 UTC  

the kabbalah is a very good kabbalah

2017-12-24 17:42:23 UTC  

It is.

2017-12-24 17:42:38 UTC  

based on your context I am forced to conclude that you mean gnosis

2017-12-24 17:42:39 UTC  

```The purpose of this dimension of personality is to draw a clear line between the concrete and the abstract (or the physical and the intangible). Some people prefer to rely mostly on physical concrete data for understanding reality (Sensing), while other people prefer to rely mostly on intangible abstract data for understanding reality (Intuition). People need to use both cognitive processes: sometimes you need to attend to the facts and details of the world in order to make sure that you act realistically according to the demands of present conditions, and sometimes you need to extract abstract concepts such as seeing patterns, meaning, and potential in order to plan well for the future. Everyone needs to learn how to sense or intuit at the right time, however, Sensors can have difficulty understanding why Intuitives pay so much attention to abstract potential, and Intuitives can have difficulty understanding why Sensors consider it so important to be grounded in the tangible world.```

2017-12-24 17:42:49 UTC  

```For those who have never studied philosophy, it may be hard to grasp the exact meaning of “concrete” versus “abstract”. A simple way to understand the difference is that concrete qualities are defined as inherent to the objects themselves, whereas abstract qualities are interdependent as they arise from relationships to other things. For example, the book that I am reading is made of paper. The quality of being made of paper is inherent to the book, so we consider this a concrete property because it is true in every time and place - there is no situation in which the book will not be made of paper. By contrast, an abstract quality of the book is its “purpose”. The purpose of a book can change even as the book stays the same physically. I can use the book for its intended purpose to disseminate information or I can use the book for some other purpose such as a paperweight, fire kindling for keeping warm, a weapon to smack someone, etc. The “purpose” of the book changes in accordance to another object - me - and what I choose to use it for. Thus, the purpose of the book is an abstract quality that is not inherent to the book itself but only arises because of its relationship to something else.```

2017-12-24 17:43:16 UTC  

```Sensing and Intuition are two opposite ways of gathering information or perceiving the world:

The Sensing Process: gathers concrete data through the physical senses (and recent research indicates that there are more than five senses); focuses on relevant facts and details as well as changes in the sensory environment
The Intuition Process: gathers abstract data through extracting patterns, connections, implications, and meaning; focuses on speculating about potential or possibility
Sensors derive more psychological interest and comfort from concrete knowledge whereas Intuitives derive more psychological interest and comfort from abstract knowledge, therefore, Sensors prefer to be grounded and practical and Intuitives prefer to be speculative and future-oriented, whenever circumstances allow.
Everyone senses and intuits as they need to but one side is more dominant, natural, and automatic. Sensors can intuit but they easily get impatient with speculation if they do it too long, at which point they will want to revert to sensing in order to regain psychological equilibrium. Intuitives can sense but they easily feel bored with practical matters if they do it too long, at which point they will want to revert to intuiting in order to regain psychological equilibrium.
Remember that S/N is not the same as creativity (this is a separate issue). Sensors are not necessarily uncreative, they simply want ideas to be realistic and are more willing to accept ideas if they are presented in practical/actionable terms. Intuitives are not necessarily more creative, they are simply more interested in exploring abstractions but many of their ideas could end up being absurd or infeasible if they are very out of touch with sensing.```

2017-12-24 17:43:20 UTC  

I was trying to get it higher than that usage definition.

2017-12-24 17:43:27 UTC  

```People who prefer Sensing:

tend to notice sensory facts and details in the present
like data to be grounded, practical, concise, orderly, clear-cut
like ideas that are factually verifiable or have practical application
like to describe or recollect interesting facts and details
become easily bored/impatient with speculation/ambiguity
tend to perceive Intuitives as impractical or unrealistic

People who prefer Intuition:

tend to read between the lines to speculate, infer, extrapolate
like info to be generalized, conceptual, figurative, open to interpretation
like ideas regarding gist, significance, implications, complexities
like to talk about meaning, purpose, hopeful potential/possibilities
become easily bored/stressed with explaining/sequencing little details
tend to perceive Sensors as narrow-minded or short-sighted```

2017-12-24 17:43:29 UTC  

using a book as a paperweight,

2017-12-24 17:43:50 UTC  

wait wait wait

2017-12-24 17:43:57 UTC  

according to this, I am not a sensor, I am an intuitive

2017-12-24 17:44:20 UTC  

you're a thinker

2017-12-24 17:44:22 UTC  

dunno about intuitive

2017-12-24 17:44:25 UTC  

maybe?

2017-12-24 17:44:29 UTC  

@Exilarch Jung thought intuitives had esier faculty of thought movement from the unconscious tot he conscious

2017-12-24 17:44:45 UTC  

MBTI is occultism

2017-12-24 17:44:48 UTC  

to accept its premises

2017-12-24 17:44:51 UTC  

He isn't intuitive.

2017-12-24 17:44:52 UTC  

ultimately requires an occultic mindset

2017-12-24 17:45:11 UTC  

that's what I was trying to get across with the bit about jungian language.

2017-12-24 17:45:17 UTC  

It's not like the big 5 test.

2017-12-24 17:45:21 UTC  

ewild

2017-12-24 17:45:28 UTC  

I literally wrote 1000 pages about all of the patterns I noticed in life

2017-12-24 17:45:38 UTC  

how am I a "sensie"

2017-12-24 17:45:54 UTC  

because you wrote a 1000 pages

2017-12-24 17:45:55 UTC  

and not 1

2017-12-24 17:46:26 UTC  

and I'm sure to you, there is some big subjective importance and meaning behind the number of pages I wrote

2017-12-24 17:46:27 UTC  

sensors observe detail

2017-12-24 17:46:36 UTC  

intuitors simply, they miss detail

2017-12-24 17:46:38 UTC  

make basic mistakes

2017-12-24 17:46:40 UTC  

Exilarch, we're both introverted thinking dominant types. (Jung calls it subjective rationalism)

2017-12-24 17:46:43 UTC  

but also see the underlying things

2017-12-24 17:46:44 UTC  

I will never let anyone convince me it is a bad thing to notice detail

2017-12-24 17:46:49 UTC  

its not a bad thing

2017-12-24 17:47:11 UTC  

idea: a person can both notice detail AND underlying phenomena. Perhaps, they can even notice underlying phenomena BECAUSE of details

2017-12-24 17:47:15 UTC  

Now, we both interact with objective (extraverted) information in some way.

2017-12-24 17:47:20 UTC  

sorry above I was supposed to type

2017-12-24 17:47:26 UTC  

intuitors *simplify*

2017-12-24 17:47:48 UTC  

you guys do realize that none of this really exists, right?