it's like letting go of breathing

@atavisionary I AGREE

they cannot ever detach entirely, just give up hope

IF I WANTED TO GO MGTOW, I WOULD GO FULL ASCETIC

Also, you don't get mad at a cat for meowing, you don't get mad at grass for growing, you should get mad at women for, well, being women

AGREED

the mgtow is right about how bad things are

WHAT IS NEEDED AS ALWAYS IS STRUCTURE

shouldn''t

@Exilarch THEY ARE MALE FEMINISTS

but as usual prozak only shoots down proposed solutions

while replacing with no better ideas

I HAVE A PROPOSED SOLUTION: SOCIAL ORDER

make it tangible

WE CANNOT SEPARATE THE QUESTION OF WOMEN FROM THAT OF CASTE

if it isn't tangible it isn't a solution

that's even more abstract

true true

PERHAPS, BUT TWO FACTORS:

what in actual fact ought to be done and by whom?

1. MOST SOLUTIONS ARE NOT FULLY KNOWN UNTIL IMPLEMENTED

women are essentially like children and need structure\

2. A COMMON COUNTER-TACTIC IS TO DEMAND AN EXAMPLE AND THEN PICK AT THAT

WE ALL NEED STRUCTURE

FROM TOP TO BOTTOM

HENCE ARISTOCRACY

THAT CREATES NATURAL SELECTION PRESSURE

you don't get mad at children for doing weird shit children do

SO THAT WOMEN ARE REWARDED FOR GOOD BEHAVIOR AND PUNISHED FOR BAD

HUMANS THINK THAT FAIRNESS IS: "DO THE SAME TO EVERYONE"

you provide patient guidance

an example of how to make your solution into... well, an actual solution... would be something like "spread propaganda about gender differences and social order until it becomes common knowledge, and people act on it, thus restoring social order"

IN REALITY, IT IS: "GOOD TO THE GOOD, BAD TO THE BAD"

I CAN SHOW YOU WHAT A SOLUTION AT THE CIVILIZATION LEVEL ENTAILS

which is what it looks like you are engaged in

AS ALWAYS

THE INTERMEDIATE STEP IS TO GET THE 2-5% ON BOARD

no, show me what a solution at a neighborhood level looks like

I WROTE THAT ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO

THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL

SEE POINT #2 ABOVE