Message from @༺པརབྱར།བསངཇ༻

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2018-03-15 15:50:40 UTC  

Earth is overpopulated, and economical elites are simply cynical know-nothings

2018-03-15 15:58:52 UTC  

Uh yeah Russia took longer to conscript serfs and industrialize

2018-03-15 16:02:29 UTC  

near as I can tell they only would have had makeshift weapons

2018-03-15 16:07:07 UTC  

Tokugowa banned guns and the peasants didn't know how to make them

2018-03-15 16:07:14 UTC  

Russia and Japan had feudalism because they didn't industrialize until they were basically forced to by the Communists/Admiral Perry

2018-03-15 16:07:23 UTC  

After that they dumped the old strictures and caught up pretty rapidly

2018-03-15 16:08:27 UTC  

Also medieval European feudalism lasted longer than pikes since armed knights need a combination of them and projectile weapons to take down

2018-03-15 16:09:07 UTC  

The Cruz being that Lord's who armed their peasant populations often beat Lord's who didn't

2018-03-15 16:09:13 UTC  

Crux

2018-03-15 16:09:20 UTC  

cruz missile incoming

2018-03-15 16:09:38 UTC  

Aimed directly for close relatives

2018-03-15 16:10:31 UTC  

Political beliefs don't invalidate a person's thinking. It's like saying Spengler was wrong because he was a conservative

2018-03-15 16:12:04 UTC  

More specifically regarding his profound understanding of historical cycles

2018-03-15 16:13:38 UTC  

there is a lot of myth there

2018-03-15 16:14:29 UTC  

Russia did not posses large industrial base, but it had industry, which after all was necessary for war effort. Russia had a somewhat thin railroad network, unlike Austria, Germany and France

2018-03-15 16:14:48 UTC  

Japan was opposed to *trade*

2018-03-15 16:15:05 UTC  

Americans came to force Japan to import foreign goods, much like with Chinese

2018-03-15 16:17:01 UTC  

As far as historical cycles are concerned, *mobility* ended feudalism

2018-03-15 16:17:14 UTC  

Russia collapsed in the instant of allowing *labor* to become a thing

2018-03-15 16:18:43 UTC  

Mostly because Nicholas II was a devout Christian, and not basically a Right Wing MechaHItler that many of his loyal supporters were. He was a bad decision maker, but he had chance of winning and saving Russia from full proletarian overtake, which Civil war proves

2018-03-15 16:21:45 UTC  

Obviously mobility is another factor but what does that have to do with what I was talking about

2018-03-15 16:21:53 UTC  

Mass conscription hardly made Russian army better, which was considered quite fierce and efficient in the old days, when it would be bludgeoning Turks, French and Prussians

2018-03-15 16:22:23 UTC  

What I mean to say is that feudalism did not end because some 500 peasants repelled a cavalry charge somewhere in FLanders

2018-03-15 16:22:32 UTC  

thats the typical reductionism

2018-03-15 16:23:19 UTC  

the world-historic, political and material is underestimated in the whole affair. those "breaking points" are never to be found in any single event

2018-03-15 16:24:37 UTC  

What actual difference does it make? If you can find a good reason why something happened that doesn't mean it was the Only Cause.

2018-03-15 16:26:37 UTC  

Yes, but what HAS Happened ? Can you tell me ?

2018-03-15 16:26:51 UTC  

This is what I mean by a sloppy approach in historical study

2018-03-15 16:27:25 UTC  

When you start answering that question, you see that this whole thing "liberation of serfs" is hardly a single, discernible historical event

2018-03-15 16:27:50 UTC  

I already mentioned stuff that has happened

2018-03-15 16:28:14 UTC  

Banning cars a la mobility is easy since most people can't make one for themselves

2018-03-15 16:28:15 UTC  

So you think that is directly correlated with the phenomenon of caste revolt

2018-03-15 16:28:30 UTC  

The fact that a certain innovation was made

2018-03-15 16:28:57 UTC  

One that upsets balances of power required for the system to function

2018-03-15 16:29:39 UTC  

OK what if I told you that pikes were used in antiquity , and that the "medieval" knight had an equal counterpart in the "Cataphract" of the Cappadocian and Mesopotanian empires

2018-03-15 16:30:12 UTC  

Persians, Greeks, Egyptians, fought in tight pike formations, much like rennaisance Europeans have

2018-03-15 16:30:36 UTC  

I know they were

2018-03-15 16:30:42 UTC  

I had Greece in mind

2018-03-15 16:30:46 UTC  

When I mentioned them

2018-03-15 16:31:04 UTC  

And even Barbarians who invaded Europe from Eurasia, like Goths, Sarmatians, Slavs, also used tall pikes

2018-03-15 16:31:18 UTC  

and armored lancers were used also by Mongols who were nomadic