Message from @Thule-Gesellschaft [☩]

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2018-10-07 07:50:38 UTC  

no its called orchestrated objective reduction

2018-10-07 07:50:51 UTC  

consciousness is not emergent

2018-10-07 07:50:56 UTC  

mind is

2018-10-07 07:51:00 UTC  

ok wut budy

2018-10-07 07:51:07 UTC  

yea .

2018-10-07 07:51:12 UTC  

it's not objective, because you're taking subjective arbitrary points and creating a dialectic upon which you operate between these two

2018-10-07 07:51:18 UTC  

that literally implausible

2018-10-07 07:51:25 UTC  

it's the same thing you do metaphysically when you both affirm and deny metaphysics

2018-10-07 07:51:30 UTC  

this is why modern science fails

2018-10-07 07:51:49 UTC  

no there is an actual physical phenomena occuring in the microtubulin substructure of the neuron

2018-10-07 07:52:00 UTC  

that leads to consciousness

2018-10-07 07:52:14 UTC  

seeing you get laughed out of a science conference by atheist chads feels goodman

2018-10-07 07:52:18 UTC  

@hemi No, because again you cannot link the deterministic chain

2018-10-07 07:52:27 UTC  

and the hypothesis involves the copenhagen interpetation

2018-10-07 07:52:29 UTC  

and if you play the atheist "brute fact" card then you'd be denying causal logic

2018-10-07 07:53:05 UTC  

this isnt atheism

2018-10-07 07:53:06 UTC  

you can't state that consciousness is a physical process because you'd run into the problem of determining from where impulse is ultimately tracked to the beginning of the universe

2018-10-07 07:53:09 UTC  

upon which you have two options

2018-10-07 07:53:18 UTC  

negentropy

2018-10-07 07:53:23 UTC  

you either reduce into absurdity and reject causation itself with the infinite regression pov

2018-10-07 07:53:31 UTC  

or you must accept the theistic pov

2018-10-07 07:53:37 UTC  

its negentropy breh

2018-10-07 07:53:46 UTC  

which ultimately explains consciousness without a physical component

2018-10-07 07:53:58 UTC  

and yes i amm theistic about my negentropy nom nom

2018-10-07 07:54:10 UTC  

no consciousness requires orchestration

2018-10-07 07:54:15 UTC  

@hemi again you're affirming and denying logic

2018-10-07 07:54:27 UTC  

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] hey Thule, sorry to bother, but do you happen to have "On Combat" pdf by Dave Grossman?

2018-10-07 07:54:31 UTC  

negentropy or reversing entropy is rejecting the law of repeatability of outcome

2018-10-07 07:54:32 UTC  

atheism is consciouness evolved from matter but is not matter

2018-10-07 07:54:36 UTC  

which depends necessarily on metaphysics

2018-10-07 07:54:43 UTC  

which you reject with your materialist conclusions

2018-10-07 07:54:43 UTC  

for objective reduction to be conscious it requires orchestration

2018-10-07 07:54:57 UTC  

no i dont wholly reject metaphysics

2018-10-07 07:54:57 UTC  

@sasha I do not sorry

2018-10-07 07:55:19 UTC  

wish i had my pc

2018-10-07 07:55:21 UTC  

@hemi I'll explain consciousness and free will

2018-10-07 07:55:23 UTC  

phone

2018-10-07 07:55:26 UTC  

without needless scientism

2018-10-07 07:55:29 UTC  

lol

2018-10-07 07:55:48 UTC  

you're aware of the self actualization argument for God's necessary existence?

2018-10-07 07:56:03 UTC  

youll explaine orchestrated objective reduction in the microtubulin substructure of the neuron?