there is plenty

because deterministic chain of causation for impetus of neuronal firing or whatever you're looking at has no overall basis

yh hemi is rightt though

20 yrs of it

it is merely a fractional analysis of a dialectical approach

and devolves into relativism

which doesn't bring you any knowledge

brain scinec will btfo vedics

it only further dissects information into blocks

no its called orchestrated objective reduction

consciousness is not emergent

mind is

ok wut budy

yea .

it's not objective, because you're taking subjective arbitrary points and creating a dialectic upon which you operate between these two

that literally implausible

it's the same thing you do metaphysically when you both affirm and deny metaphysics

this is why modern science fails

no there is an actual physical phenomena occuring in the microtubulin substructure of the neuron

that leads to consciousness

seeing you get laughed out of a science conference by atheist chads feels goodman

@hemi No, because again you cannot link the deterministic chain

and the hypothesis involves the copenhagen interpetation

and if you play the atheist "brute fact" card then you'd be denying causal logic

this isnt atheism

you can't state that consciousness is a physical process because you'd run into the problem of determining from where impulse is ultimately tracked to the beginning of the universe

upon which you have two options

negentropy

you either reduce into absurdity and reject causation itself with the infinite regression pov

or you must accept the theistic pov

its negentropy breh

which ultimately explains consciousness without a physical component

and yes i amm theistic about my negentropy nom nom

no consciousness requires orchestration

@hemi again you're affirming and denying logic

@Thule-Gesellschaft [☩] hey Thule, sorry to bother, but do you happen to have "On Combat" pdf by Dave Grossman?

negentropy or reversing entropy is rejecting the law of repeatability of outcome

atheism is consciouness evolved from matter but is not matter

which depends necessarily on metaphysics

which you reject with your materialist conclusions

for objective reduction to be conscious it requires orchestration