Message from @tenshinigami
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agency as defined by requiring the means to follow through?
Let's get on the same page, then
because that's what it seems like your idea of agency is
im morally flexible and ethically versitile
"I want this, and I can do this"
*>stuns Jews before gassing them* @fenrave
and not "I can want and do what I want" being separated from whatever consequences another party places on it
Agency is the extent that you're able to do something yeah
Free will is the belief that individuals have the ability to decide things apart from material reality
I.e. what materially happens to my body doesn't affect my brains ability to spiritually decide things
apart from material reality
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that's where you are, man
Apparently one of the rabbis there was sued for chopping off a kid's dick.
well some proponents of free will state that the brain is just so materially complicated that we can't understand how the brain makes choices therefore free will
How about this
The sense of agency (SA), or sense of control, is the subjective awareness of initiating, executing, and controlling one's own volitional actions in the world.
Suppose determinism is correct, why shouldn't we just kill ourselves?
sure I wouldn't dispute the existence of that
And let's define volitional
Volition or will is the cognitive process by which an individual decides on and commits to a particular course of action. It is defined as purposive striving and is one of the primary human psychological functions. Others include affect (feeling or emotion), motivation (goals and expectations), and cognition (thinking). Volitional processes can be applied consciously
If we have no control then it's not our lives is it?
would you agree with that
@Hransrap suppose you know the chemical composition of chocolate and its effect on the brain. Why eat it?
ultimately scientific knowledge doesn't effect how individuals feel *that* much
religion makes it problematic tho
Would you agree with that?
To clarify are you a determinist?
Who?
hmm I normally wouldn't use those terms but I can work with them for the argument
So you don't agree with those terms
Both I guess
@Hransrap Yeah I am determinist
I would just say cognitive process or decision making