apart from material reality

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that's where you are, man

Apparently one of the rabbis there was sued for chopping off a kid's dick.

well some proponents of free will state that the brain is just so materially complicated that we can't understand how the brain makes choices therefore free will

but that's kinda a naive argument

How about this

The sense of agency (SA), or sense of control, is the subjective awareness of initiating, executing, and controlling one's own volitional actions in the world.

Suppose determinism is correct, why shouldn't we just kill ourselves?

sure I wouldn't dispute the existence of that

And let's define volitional

Volition or will is the cognitive process by which an individual decides on and commits to a particular course of action. It is defined as purposive striving and is one of the primary human psychological functions. Others include affect (feeling or emotion), motivation (goals and expectations), and cognition (thinking). Volitional processes can be applied consciously

If we have no control then it's not our lives is it?

would you agree with that

@Hransrap suppose you know the chemical composition of chocolate and its effect on the brain. Why eat it?

ultimately scientific knowledge doesn't effect how individuals feel *that* much

religion makes it problematic tho

Would you agree with that?

To clarify are you a determinist?

Who?

hmm I normally wouldn't use those terms but I can work with them for the argument

@tenshinigami

So you don't agree with those terms

Both I guess

@Hransrap Yeah I am determinist

I would just say cognitive process or decision making

calling it volition is loaded

It's a definition

Of Volition

ok I see

That works

"Volition" or "Will"

Sure we can move forward with those

Excellent, you've decided to continue

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oh sorry wait

you've determined to continue

sick burn

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lmao

calling it volition is loaded