again, prove to me socialism is good

I'm not a socialist though. I'm a keynesian.

and then prove to me that it can be achieved on a grand scale

1) If LTV is true then socialism is good
2) LTV is true
C) Therefore, socialism is good

LTV?

Labour theory of value

The value of x is determined by the price of raw materials and how long it takes to make x under *normal circumstances*

bla bla bla, prove to me socialism can be achieved on a grand scale

I just did.

LTV is the ground for socialism.

Lol.

I already admitted that socialism as a theory isn't necessarily bad

you are completely ignoring the entrenched powers that be

how will you take their power from them?

I just refuted that by citing historical materialism.

you refuted it?

lol

ok

enjoy your delusions

So since you said ok it seems you concede.

Au revoir.

yeah, you really showed me

@Throttles with the bigbrain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp2sCcOO9J0

> l think the American dream is nonsense

@qwasi american dream is fuck all nowadays

You have to be asleep to believe it... 😄 (Carlin quote)

@Throttles#6140 socialism works in smaller communities

It does not work in bigger groups because human nature is selfish

And they will try manipulating the benefits of it

Keep America non communist

AMERICA FUCK YEAH

Lmao

@JesusHand That's a claim in psychology, give an argument for it.

Philosophically, it'd go along the lines of we do whatever is in our best interest or benefits us, hence why things that communism entails maybe in our interest.

And what do you mean by smaller, are you arbitrarily drawing lines between numbers?

What counts as small for you and why do you count it as small.

@Throttles a community of maybe 100 people

I’m saying a smaller group of people rather than millions

Why are you picking that number? @JesusHand

Just a guess

The number is besides my point