Then he's petit-bourgeois

petit comme ta bite 😎

Which just means any possessed person who owns a small business, or most exploit their own labor as well as the labor of others to profit

Mademoiselle j'connais le Francais

Im not agreeing with this class interest/class traitor stuff

Football players fit into it

non parle français

ouais pd

Do all business exploit labor?

Yes

They have to in order to make money

especially the majority of businesses

which are small

What about labor?

If they paid you the full value of your labor, they wouldnt make a profit

If they weren't there in the first place you wouldn't make anything

LOL

So if there is no business, the workers would get their value from govt?

Who are untrustworthy

No like

Workers generate their own value

Kleptocratic governments yes yes

Europe had large peasant classes that didn’t even really own land essentially with small noble classes that owned everything. This never was a thing in the United States and that’s why it never got much traction here.

So whats the problem with business owners and entrepreneurs?

@Pelth You forgot about indentured servants

which were the "working class" per say of the society in colonial America

@3v6en8 The only they exist is through an extraction of value from the labor of others.

It was still like 70% land owners in America as opposed to like 5% in Europe

How would you create that extraction of value?

Like, say you work at a burger restaurant. Your boss offers you 10 dollars as your wage. Lets say a burger cost 5 dollars, and to simplify it further you put all of the labor into preparation and serving that burger. Lets also say you can sell 4 burgers in an hour.

Your labor has generated 20 dollars of value for the business in an hour.

You get 10 dollars.

You wouldn't have gotten shit if the burger restaurant wasn't there in the first place

I don't know how this is news to you

Did I pay for the equipment to make that burger, the building where I sell that burger, the paperwork to sell burgers?

It hasn’t generated that value

His presence is not necessary for the burger restaurant to be there

A state could make the burger restaurant or laborers themselves with a loan could create the burger restaurant

Did I invest my capital in that business?

The state is untrustworthy

He does nothing outside of owning the Means of Production\