Message from @Alexstrasza

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2019-10-24 21:49:17 UTC  

Idk might be

2019-10-24 22:11:20 UTC  

So I think that definition is basically accurate, but lacks the authoritarian aspect and how it arises

2019-10-24 22:12:20 UTC  

I’ll quote the OED here- admittedly dictionaries are not the end all be all, but AI think this is a good starting place

2019-10-24 22:13:50 UTC  

An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.

2019-10-24 22:14:29 UTC  

Now I think what you said about trump is a non sequitur

2019-10-24 22:15:08 UTC  

Trump has very little respect for the constitution, he has repeatedly seen checks and balances as unnecessary fetters on executive power

2019-10-24 22:15:22 UTC  

He recently said “I control the hatch act”

2019-10-24 22:15:48 UTC  

Which is as close as any American President has gotten to *l’etat c’est moi*

2019-10-24 22:17:17 UTC  

But historically, fascism has arisen only from conservative movements, basically as a populist entry to conservatism that then swallows its parent

2019-10-24 22:19:09 UTC  

The evolution basically being: institutions are the sacrosanct protectors of society > institutional influence needs to be expanded to combat societal deviance > even the institutions are corrupted, they need to be torn down

2019-10-24 22:21:26 UTC  

Trump’s railing against the deep state is very much in line with that last rhetorical step, and is reminiscent of Hitler and Mussolini’s attacks on (and ultimately dismantling of) the apolitical government institutions, military institutions and the press

2019-10-24 22:22:27 UTC  

Fascism was not a conservative movement

2019-10-24 22:22:36 UTC  

You fucking retard

2019-10-24 22:23:06 UTC  

supremacy of one national or ethnic group: blacks
a contempt for democracy: Trump won, get over it
an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader: Obama lol
a strong demagogic approach: clinton and bush family demagogs

2019-10-24 22:23:07 UTC  

In the first Fascist council in Italy, there were no conservatives present

2019-10-24 22:23:39 UTC  

Sigh honey

2019-10-24 22:23:43 UTC  

Did you even read what I wrote

2019-10-24 22:23:47 UTC  

an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader: obedience to MSM, Soros, Clinton Family etc etc

2019-10-24 22:24:25 UTC  

hur dur sigh honey

2019-10-24 22:24:34 UTC  

You said “historical Fascism has only risen from conservative movements”

2019-10-24 22:24:43 UTC  

When that is a lie

2019-10-24 22:24:49 UTC  

I wonder how many people she's blocked cause she can't have a conversation while remaining civil

2019-10-24 22:24:53 UTC  

hella sophistication right thar

2019-10-24 22:25:04 UTC  

Imagine blocking people

2019-10-24 22:25:20 UTC  

In Italy, fascism was largely enabled by the church

2019-10-24 22:25:35 UTC  

It was sort of the cudgel of the conservative movement

2019-10-24 22:25:35 UTC  

And?

2019-10-24 22:25:46 UTC  

So that is literally my point

2019-10-24 22:25:51 UTC  

she's pretending she wasn't responding to my messages earlier so she can refuse to respond to any counter-arguments to what she says lol

2019-10-24 22:25:53 UTC  

It was an outcropping or conservatism

2019-10-24 22:26:01 UTC  

That then destroyed conservatism

2019-10-24 22:26:12 UTC  

How is Fascism the weapon of the church?

2019-10-24 22:26:12 UTC  

Like did you just stop reading when you hit that point?

2019-10-24 22:26:27 UTC  

Sorry you agreed with my premise until you heard my conclusion?

2019-10-24 22:26:41 UTC  

Not all types of Fascism embraced the church

2019-10-24 22:26:43 UTC  

So you don’t know the history of fascism in Italy

2019-10-24 22:26:54 UTC  

Did I say all types of fascism embraced the church?

2019-10-24 22:26:58 UTC  

You didn’t know what the first fascist council was

2019-10-24 22:27:02 UTC  

So you don’t know

2019-10-24 22:27:09 UTC  

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2019-10-24 22:27:19 UTC  

I never said there were conservatives at the first fascist council