I understand the nuance. the trump people ruined a very useful term that really doesn't apply to what they are complaining about

Career bureaucrats aren't really the deep state

I don't think Trump is some amazing wonderful person, but he went against the real people in charge and that's why he's getting fucked in the ass now, not because they care about right and wrong

Yea but he wasn't for real change, it was an illusion. For those of us who have been in the reform game a long time, we knew better

i'm all for real change and challenging the real 'deep state', I don't think the trump people misused that term innocently either

I can name the names of people that are really part of it and he doesn't go anywhere near them. appointing wilbur fucking ross of all people? come on

Also, no matter how his message may have resonated with some (foolish) people - his delivery of it was abominable. I'm sorry, but we have to hold politicians (particularly the head of our state) to a certain standard.

what about the rest of them?

He had so much baggage tied to him too

Smh

shit on him all you want, but there's a truckload of other shitbags

Idk how he was "the chosen one" lol

Nobody said there aren't, that's partly why he has been so damaging

who is standing up against the "deep state"

very patriotic people

i don't see anyone doing anything

who is standing up against the "illuminati"?

I believe that part

I see America slowly circling the drain

who is standing up against the "goblins"?

lol

the LOTR guys

Your mom

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Take the whistleblower stuff with Rand Paul, that's extremely dangerous to others

what's going on against Trump is light weight stuff

I see it partly as an attempt to weaken the few protections we have for these people

K

Cool

> We will get, with or without Trump, tyranny.

Don't worry boys, Cosby says there's no such thing as the deep state

we're all good

There is and Trump is part of it

I've considered the possibility that he's part of the "plan"

His situation also illustrates we still have to worry about foreign factions not just our own homegrown stuff, and whatever you want to call the globalist types

I will be the tyrant

Mwahahahah

With Trump I see things like what happened to our cyber warfare situation, I would say he's intentionally weakened it to open the door wider for adversaries, just for a small slice of the situation

why though?

what's his motive

Enemy Action