> 1. Omitted information the FBI had obtained from another U.S. government agency detailing its prior relationship with Page, including that Page had been approved as an “operational contact” for the other agency from 2008 to 2013, and that Page had provided information to the other agency concerning his prior contacts with certain Russian intelligence officers, one of which overlapped with facts asserted in the FISA application

I'm sure that was just an accident

I mean, wtf does the FBI know anyway, right?

Could be, could also go to Sources and methods, mentioned above

that's always the excuse you guys use

Dafuq are u going on about m8?????????

MUH SOURCES AND METHODS

it's a huge deal , and it's a major tension between the various agencies, especially NSA and everybody else

I understand that it's a huge deal, very convenient excuse

Whatever

Time to /ignore reality

That’s good

That's just what it is man, you can call anything a convenient excuse if you want, but that's what those people have to go through. The expediency of allowances should be flexible enough to handle severe issues. writing laws around is very difficult

The LEO often want as much power as possible, to make their jobs easier, the Civil advocates want as little as possible, the pure spooks are ambivilent because they will just do it anyway under national security rubrick, etc

oversight takes forever

it's a lot

I get it, you're an IC apologist, you don't want to give up the power you have

or they have

IC is not one blob, it depends on which angle you are talking about. Many are both, many are members of EFF like me

to simplify, for 'domestic crime', as little as possible

wasn't EFF for net neutrality?

Mostly, a very sophisticated view of it

lol

of course

everything you agree with is very sophisticated

I don't agree with their position on it actually

I argue the hardware sovereignity position

they argue 'the other side'

Ur mom is very sophisticated

the EFF testimony is sophisticated because it tries to explain how the routing works on the internet, something they understand very well. many of the 'pop culture' views on it were a bit basic imo

Google supporting it is all I need to know that it was evil

it's not evil, but they have an incentive to want something similar to class a mail, since a major part of their costs are bandwidth

anything that gives the government more authority is evil

not at all, gov is a major tool for fighting evil. it can be abused and some govs can be evil. baby and bathwater situation

there is an equilibrium that we crossed long ago

It's just an organizational tool, when we start saying 'everything the gov does is evil', we walk right into a trap set by some of the more evil peolpe out there, who want no check on their power etc.

I don't think it's an equilibrium seeking system

that's part of the problem

the 'balanced scales' metaphor is very bad in most social cases

I think you're a bot that is programmed to disagree with everything I say

it mistakes a complex system for an ordered system, which very few social systems are