Message from @Sh0t

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2020-01-06 21:33:22 UTC  

better to know the truth than a cartoon

2020-01-06 21:33:35 UTC  

For certain

2020-01-06 21:34:32 UTC  

Really it's kinda funny looking back, how cartoonishly evil some of the people we were taught about were

2020-01-06 21:35:12 UTC  

We didn't really take into consideration that truths might be omitted

2020-01-06 21:35:17 UTC  

The Stalin stuff I think was necessary to cover up how bad our moves were after end of WWII

2020-01-06 21:35:19 UTC  

or even during

2020-01-06 21:35:34 UTC  

there is a lot of 20-30s baggage too wtih the Morgans and all that stuff

2020-01-06 21:35:45 UTC  

I think FDR dying was the key moment

2020-01-06 21:35:55 UTC  

if FDR lives another 5 years, no Cold War

2020-01-06 21:36:11 UTC  

Perhaps but we can't be sure

2020-01-06 21:36:48 UTC  

actually i was say it really happens when Truman is the replacement VP on the ticket

2020-01-06 21:37:04 UTC  

there is a crazy story about that day when the other guy didn't make it in to register in time

2020-01-06 21:37:14 UTC  

wallace

2020-01-06 21:37:46 UTC  

So why was Wallace late?

2020-01-06 21:38:24 UTC  

story goes he was slowed down on purpose, there was a bigger story in the backgroudn that goes all the way back to the Washington Naval conference and Britain being butthurt about losing influence

2020-01-06 21:38:44 UTC  

many of hte characters in the story are Anglophiles that didnt really like FDR because he wanted to make sure British empire didnt survive the war

2020-01-06 21:39:24 UTC  

Is there anything that supports this claim? Not saying it's illogical just saying that it could be one of multiple possibilities

2020-01-06 21:40:28 UTC  

if you go back, you can find contemporary issues with the washington naval conference, our collision course with britain and then walk forward, look at testimony by people like gen wedemeyer and how our china policy got jacked up, the critisim of Sir robert Thompson and his potential undermining of our vietnam war effort

2020-01-06 21:40:32 UTC  

being in vietnam to begin with

2020-01-06 21:41:34 UTC  

sort of like the American Firsters now, we had people then who were distrustful of Britain, but they have been written out of history. it also ties in to the real blame for pearl harbor, and you can see that in the official corrections to the military records of the commanders

2020-01-06 21:42:09 UTC  

Kimmel was basically the one at fault, from DC, kept FDR out of the loop, the brits kept us out of the loop of some SIGINT, patton's comments on the brits, etc

2020-01-06 21:42:24 UTC  

marshall was main one for the china catastrophe, wedemeyer

2020-01-06 21:42:52 UTC  

Interesting stuff but not that surprising when you think about it

2020-01-06 21:43:29 UTC  

US has a major counterintelligence problem, but we've "lost" that battle so it' snot really talked about except in some flashes abotu israel here and there or Russia

2020-01-06 21:43:43 UTC  

for example the SOE and Stevenson and Roald Dahl

2020-01-06 21:43:54 UTC  

blatant Britain covert operation against the US

2020-01-06 21:44:07 UTC  

Dahl as in willa wonka, he was a spy, sent here to influence primarily clare booth luce

2020-01-06 21:44:29 UTC  

shot down in battle of britain, migranes so they made him a spy and he went to work with Intrepid

2020-01-06 21:44:35 UTC  

"get the us in the war!"

2020-01-06 21:44:47 UTC  

Well we could conclude that the US had the last laugh anyway

2020-01-06 21:45:12 UTC  

don't be so sure, i see British influence in many of our foreign policy mistakes

2020-01-06 21:45:22 UTC  

Really?

2020-01-06 21:45:25 UTC  

especially with regards to Iran even in 53

2020-01-06 21:45:27 UTC  

mmhmm

2020-01-06 21:45:47 UTC  

Could it be possible that another reason for Brexit is because of that influence?

2020-01-06 21:46:08 UTC  

Because from what i'm seeing the rest of the EU is trying to distance itself from the US

2020-01-06 21:46:30 UTC  

It's tough to say/see this close, but there is clearly a nationalist thread in Britan that larps the british empire still being aroun

2020-01-06 21:46:51 UTC  

yea they are trying but it's not that simple. countries like Germany depend on the US maintained global order

2020-01-06 21:47:00 UTC  

any export heavy economy basically depends on the US navy etc

2020-01-06 21:47:19 UTC  

Trying but not succeeding basically

2020-01-06 21:47:28 UTC  

Not until something changes