Message from @Sh0t
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better to know the truth than a cartoon
For certain
Really it's kinda funny looking back, how cartoonishly evil some of the people we were taught about were
We didn't really take into consideration that truths might be omitted
The Stalin stuff I think was necessary to cover up how bad our moves were after end of WWII
or even during
there is a lot of 20-30s baggage too wtih the Morgans and all that stuff
I think FDR dying was the key moment
if FDR lives another 5 years, no Cold War
Perhaps but we can't be sure
actually i was say it really happens when Truman is the replacement VP on the ticket
there is a crazy story about that day when the other guy didn't make it in to register in time
wallace
So why was Wallace late?
story goes he was slowed down on purpose, there was a bigger story in the backgroudn that goes all the way back to the Washington Naval conference and Britain being butthurt about losing influence
many of hte characters in the story are Anglophiles that didnt really like FDR because he wanted to make sure British empire didnt survive the war
Is there anything that supports this claim? Not saying it's illogical just saying that it could be one of multiple possibilities
if you go back, you can find contemporary issues with the washington naval conference, our collision course with britain and then walk forward, look at testimony by people like gen wedemeyer and how our china policy got jacked up, the critisim of Sir robert Thompson and his potential undermining of our vietnam war effort
being in vietnam to begin with
sort of like the American Firsters now, we had people then who were distrustful of Britain, but they have been written out of history. it also ties in to the real blame for pearl harbor, and you can see that in the official corrections to the military records of the commanders
Kimmel was basically the one at fault, from DC, kept FDR out of the loop, the brits kept us out of the loop of some SIGINT, patton's comments on the brits, etc
marshall was main one for the china catastrophe, wedemeyer
Interesting stuff but not that surprising when you think about it
US has a major counterintelligence problem, but we've "lost" that battle so it' snot really talked about except in some flashes abotu israel here and there or Russia
for example the SOE and Stevenson and Roald Dahl
blatant Britain covert operation against the US
Dahl as in willa wonka, he was a spy, sent here to influence primarily clare booth luce
shot down in battle of britain, migranes so they made him a spy and he went to work with Intrepid
"get the us in the war!"
Well we could conclude that the US had the last laugh anyway
don't be so sure, i see British influence in many of our foreign policy mistakes
Really?
especially with regards to Iran even in 53
mmhmm
Could it be possible that another reason for Brexit is because of that influence?
Because from what i'm seeing the rest of the EU is trying to distance itself from the US
It's tough to say/see this close, but there is clearly a nationalist thread in Britan that larps the british empire still being aroun
yea they are trying but it's not that simple. countries like Germany depend on the US maintained global order
any export heavy economy basically depends on the US navy etc
Trying but not succeeding basically
Not until something changes