Message from @Sophie

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2020-02-18 19:53:27 UTC  

Again, you just answer things tangential to the issue at hand

2020-02-18 19:53:34 UTC  

What regulation were you hinting at that lowers prices? I'll take a shot in the dark and point to the law that allows illegals to get away with uncompensated care?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
> According to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, 55% of U.S. emergency care now goes uncompensated.[12] When medical bills go unpaid, health care providers must either shift the costs onto those who can pay or go uncompensated. In the first decade of EMTALA, such cost-shifting amounted to a hidden tax levied by providers.[13] For example, it has been estimated that this cost shifting amounted to $455 per individual or $1,186 per family in California each year.[13]

2020-02-18 19:53:37 UTC  

Gee maybe not...

2020-02-18 19:53:50 UTC  

The reason CON exists is because they spend state money

2020-02-18 19:54:05 UTC  

You’d think a conservative would be in favor of protecting coffers

2020-02-18 19:54:06 UTC  

It doesn't matter, we don't need them. They raise prices, lower access without increasing quality.

2020-02-18 19:54:11 UTC  

Lol

2020-02-18 19:54:17 UTC  

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

2020-02-18 19:54:22 UTC  

Of course they don’t raise prices

2020-02-18 19:54:46 UTC  

What regulation were you hinting at that lowers prices? I'll take a shot in the dark and point to the law that allows illegals to get away with uncompensated care?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
> According to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, 55% of U.S. emergency care now goes uncompensated.[12] When medical bills go unpaid, health care providers must either shift the costs onto those who can pay or go uncompensated. In the first decade of EMTALA, such cost-shifting amounted to a hidden tax levied by providers.[13] For example, it has been estimated that this cost shifting amounted to $455 per individual or $1,186 per family in California each year.[13]

2020-02-18 19:54:53 UTC  

THIS IS LITERALLY MY POINT

2020-02-18 19:54:56 UTC  

Yeah?

2020-02-18 19:54:58 UTC  

It's a regulation.

2020-02-18 19:55:02 UTC  

We need to repeal it.

2020-02-18 19:55:09 UTC  

Which is why I said I'm for private healthcare, fully.

2020-02-18 19:55:11 UTC  

It currently gets passed along to people with insurance

2020-02-18 19:55:24 UTC  

Yeah and hospital care in general.

2020-02-18 19:55:29 UTC  

It's a terrible law that has to go.

2020-02-18 19:55:34 UTC  

Right, so we’d just have a return to people with pre existing conditions not getting care

2020-02-18 19:55:39 UTC  

lol

2020-02-18 19:55:41 UTC  

Ok.

2020-02-18 19:55:56 UTC  

This isn't about pre-existing conditions.

2020-02-18 19:56:05 UTC  

Yes, if your goal is to have people dying in the streets and going bankrupt for medical expenses

2020-02-18 19:56:15 UTC  

Then yes, the system will be cheaper

2020-02-18 19:56:16 UTC  

I'm for deregulating healthcare, so that ends up with lower prices.

2020-02-18 19:56:22 UTC  

No, it doesnt😘

2020-02-18 19:56:25 UTC  

EMATAL being scraped is one method of it.

2020-02-18 19:56:28 UTC  

It leads to death spirals

2020-02-18 19:56:30 UTC  

The studies above will disagree with you.

2020-02-18 19:56:37 UTC  

They clearly do not

2020-02-18 19:56:43 UTC  

In fact you literally supported my point

2020-02-18 19:56:50 UTC  

Use your brain for 2 seconds

2020-02-18 19:56:54 UTC  

> Our analysis of insurance claims data shows that the more rigid regulations increase the price of a well-child medical exam by 3 to 16 %
>

> This finding indicates that CON laws may not be protecting access to rural health care, but are instead correlated with decreases in rural access.

2020-02-18 19:57:10 UTC  

Ok, let me respond

2020-02-18 19:57:45 UTC  

WC visits are not a pertinent metric, because ya a non-emergency preventative care metric

2020-02-18 19:58:12 UTC  

Well child visits lower the cost of future healthcare. What more regulations do is lower the cost of emergency room visits

2020-02-18 19:58:27 UTC  

WC visits are cheap cheap cheap. 3-16 doesn’t matter.

2020-02-18 19:58:29 UTC  

CON laws

2020-02-18 19:58:36 UTC  

Yes, it's an example of how deregulation lowers prices.

2020-02-18 19:58:38 UTC  

CON laws prevent Medicaid abuse

2020-02-18 19:58:49 UTC  

Removing these barriers reduce prices universally.