Message from @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

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2020-02-18 19:50:58 UTC  

Do you remember your free market principles @sɪᴅɪsɴᴏᴛʜᴇʀᴇ

2020-02-18 19:51:11 UTC  

That’s quite simply not accurate. Increased regulation has lowered prices.

2020-02-18 19:51:27 UTC  

The problem with health insurance is it does not follow free market principles when deregulated

2020-02-18 19:51:41 UTC  

It doesn’t have perfect information, and people can’t send market signals after use

2020-02-18 19:52:12 UTC  

What private health insurance does is leaves a ton of people uninsured

2020-02-18 19:52:24 UTC  

And keeps people with pre-existing conditions from being insured

2020-02-18 19:52:33 UTC  

<studies this for a living

2020-02-18 19:52:40 UTC  

Yes, increased regulations like higher licensing requirements?
> Our analysis of insurance claims data shows that the more rigid regulations increase the price of a well-child medical exam by 3 to 16 %. However, our analysis finds no evidence that the changes in regulatory policy are reflected in outcomes such as infant mortality rates or malpractice premiums. Overall, our results suggest that these more restrictive state licensing practices are associated with changes in wages and employment patterns, and also increase the costs of routine medical care, but do not seem to influence health care quality.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w19906

Or maybe CON laws?
> Certificate-of-need (CON) laws disallow hospitals, nursing homes, ambulatory surgical centers (ASCs), and other healthcare providers from entering new markets, expanding their practice, or making certain capital investments without first receiving approval from state regulators. These laws are currently in effect in 36 states. Over the past 40 years, CON laws have been justified as a way to achieve numerous public policy goals, such as controlling costs, increasing charity care, and protecting access to health care in rural communities by shielding hospitals from increased competition. However, the effects of CON laws on rural health care are not well understood. We examine the effect of entry regulation on ASCs and community hospitals and find that there are both more rural hospitals and more rural ambulatory surgical centers per capita in states without a CON program regulating the opening of an ASC. This finding indicates that CON laws may not be protecting access to rural health care, but are instead correlated with decreases in rural access.
https://www.mercatus.org/system/files/Stratmann-Rural-Health-Care-v1.pdf

2020-02-18 19:52:42 UTC  

Yikes maybe not.

2020-02-18 19:53:27 UTC  

Again, you just answer things tangential to the issue at hand

2020-02-18 19:53:34 UTC  

What regulation were you hinting at that lowers prices? I'll take a shot in the dark and point to the law that allows illegals to get away with uncompensated care?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
> According to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, 55% of U.S. emergency care now goes uncompensated.[12] When medical bills go unpaid, health care providers must either shift the costs onto those who can pay or go uncompensated. In the first decade of EMTALA, such cost-shifting amounted to a hidden tax levied by providers.[13] For example, it has been estimated that this cost shifting amounted to $455 per individual or $1,186 per family in California each year.[13]

2020-02-18 19:53:37 UTC  

Gee maybe not...

2020-02-18 19:53:50 UTC  

The reason CON exists is because they spend state money

2020-02-18 19:54:05 UTC  

You’d think a conservative would be in favor of protecting coffers

2020-02-18 19:54:06 UTC  

It doesn't matter, we don't need them. They raise prices, lower access without increasing quality.

2020-02-18 19:54:11 UTC  

Lol

2020-02-18 19:54:17 UTC  

That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

2020-02-18 19:54:22 UTC  

Of course they don’t raise prices

2020-02-18 19:54:46 UTC  

What regulation were you hinting at that lowers prices? I'll take a shot in the dark and point to the law that allows illegals to get away with uncompensated care?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Medical_Treatment_and_Active_Labor_Act
> According to the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, 55% of U.S. emergency care now goes uncompensated.[12] When medical bills go unpaid, health care providers must either shift the costs onto those who can pay or go uncompensated. In the first decade of EMTALA, such cost-shifting amounted to a hidden tax levied by providers.[13] For example, it has been estimated that this cost shifting amounted to $455 per individual or $1,186 per family in California each year.[13]

2020-02-18 19:54:53 UTC  

THIS IS LITERALLY MY POINT

2020-02-18 19:54:56 UTC  

Yeah?

2020-02-18 19:54:58 UTC  

It's a regulation.

2020-02-18 19:55:02 UTC  

We need to repeal it.

2020-02-18 19:55:09 UTC  

Which is why I said I'm for private healthcare, fully.

2020-02-18 19:55:11 UTC  

It currently gets passed along to people with insurance

2020-02-18 19:55:24 UTC  

Yeah and hospital care in general.

2020-02-18 19:55:29 UTC  

It's a terrible law that has to go.

2020-02-18 19:55:34 UTC  

Right, so we’d just have a return to people with pre existing conditions not getting care

2020-02-18 19:55:39 UTC  

lol

2020-02-18 19:55:41 UTC  

Ok.

2020-02-18 19:55:56 UTC  

This isn't about pre-existing conditions.

2020-02-18 19:56:05 UTC  

Yes, if your goal is to have people dying in the streets and going bankrupt for medical expenses

2020-02-18 19:56:15 UTC  

Then yes, the system will be cheaper

2020-02-18 19:56:16 UTC  

I'm for deregulating healthcare, so that ends up with lower prices.

2020-02-18 19:56:22 UTC  

No, it doesnt😘

2020-02-18 19:56:25 UTC  

EMATAL being scraped is one method of it.

2020-02-18 19:56:28 UTC  

It leads to death spirals

2020-02-18 19:56:30 UTC  

The studies above will disagree with you.

2020-02-18 19:56:37 UTC  

They clearly do not

2020-02-18 19:56:43 UTC  

In fact you literally supported my point

2020-02-18 19:56:50 UTC  

Use your brain for 2 seconds