We need to clear that up before we talk about “real leaders”

I don't think that real leaders are socialists if that's what you think. Yes I do believe that healthcare is a right that everyone should have and I don't think that a cooperation that wants nothing more than to make money and please investors should be in charge of keeping me alive. You see if the heathcare market was competitive enough to where capitalism could work it's magic like it does for most markets then I wouldn't have to say this but that simply isn't the case.

@Festive Spaghetti The healthcare system is not competitive because the government is funding some of it. If it were truly capitalist, there would be lower prices and better service. Healthcare has many things going against it.

Are you telling me that the government is incentivizing companies to jack insulin prices hundreds of times higher than they should be?

That's where capitalism doesn't work in our favor.

We need regulation.

The government doesn't decide wether or not there is competition in an market. The government wouldn't need to pull out funding if there was a company selling insulin for half the price of everyone else.

@Festive Spaghetti No, I’m not. Although the government is subsidizing it, not incentivizing it.
The healthcare system is also often getting sued, which is another reason for high-prices. I agree that healthcare needs fixed, the place it is not is horrible; but by giving it to everybody free, you will create problems, not solve them.

If you were to give out free healthcare, it would result in much higher taxes for the people and eventually complete government control

And that’s just one problem

I never said free healthcare.

When did i say that?

I said healtcare is a right but I never said that you should just be given insulin for free.

@Festive Spaghetti Wait, you don’t? Ok. That makes things much easier

The only point where you should just be given care for free is when you're literally dying.

I get what you’re saying

I don't understand why you want to pay to live.

ok good

Nobody wants to pay to live, but they would be paying for it anyways if “free healthcare for people who are dying” was implemented. They would just be paying their fees ahead of time (through taxes).

exactly.

Don’t you see the problem with that?

If you pay your dues you get rewarded for it.

but again the flaw with that is a large mounth desposited invain in case u don't need it

Exactly

But what if you don't have health insurance or what if you get denied by them? With a government run systen there would be no questions asked.

the 45,000 people who died this year because they couldn't afford medical help would have been able to survive.

wich would not have been a problem if the us would fix it by creating a system of refunding and prepaid govermental treatment plnas

That’s why the government needs to stop subsidizing healthcare and start discouraging insurance

no u should be able to retrive from the healthcare

aka its still there but have the option to take the funds back

in case it wasn't needed

@Festive Spaghetti You see, if you remove government subsidies and regulation, capitalism will kick in and people will start regulating based off of consumer regulation.

that would lead to easy corruption

One of the consumer’s regulations is low prices

Another regulation is high standards

Consumer regulation is slow and people would have to die from it and public outrage would have to insue before things changed.

manipulation of the standert market would create a easy flaw to tax them even higher by that solution @Yusa

@Kyber0_0 How?

by rise of demad the market will start taxing based of how much of it will be used

fx tissues

@Kyber0_0 Why?

because ppl are greedy if they see a exploid damn well they will exploid the market