Message from @3v6en8
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Shut up solicitor
LULW
Damn so people really be out here calling each other nazis
im boutta head out
@Cobra Commander nationalism is exclusive from nazism?
Nationalism, in a political sense, is synonymous with fascism
It actually isn't by definition
I'll explain later
i thought it was ultranationalism?
That is an etymological fallacy
Today, and since the 20th century, nationalism is synonymous with fascism
Where exactly are you getting the idea that they're synonyms?
The nationalist parties across the world have fascist policy goals
India, the UK, Poland, Italy, austria, Germany
And back to WW2 that’s been true
Possibly to WWI, but I’m less certain about that.
A conflation of the two terms in politics does not make them synonyms. And besides you're probably going to have to explain how these nationalist parties are fascistic, because it has a more specific definition
I will post both definitions later when I'm not on mobile
Well, this is why I brought it up as an etymological fallacy
If they’ve been synonymous for 100 years or so, yeah they’re the same thing
like the serbs, turks and germans
but the more nationalistic one gets; people start following their state no matter what it does
The defining characteristics of fascism are supremacy of the state over individual (in particular surveillance and pop movement control), supremacy of the military and military fetishism, isolationism, typically protectionism, promotion of an ethnostate, promotion of specific ideas of public virtue based on the good of the state or religion or conservative values
@3v6en8 yes, those are all examples of nationalism and fascism.
Oh and aggressive military posture
And generally vilification of the press
Nationalism by definition is not intrinsically authoritarian or racial, while fascism is authoritarian and also involves forcible suppression of people (although even this isn't intrinsically racial either). These two can overlap and be conflated as the same thing but to use this as proof of them being synonyms is fallacious.
And besides virtually every fascistic state has come to power by overthrowing the previous system, which is the opposite of what conservative beliefs are.
I agree that by pure dictionary definition what you’re saying is true. But for 100 years or more it has been true, and to say that these terms which have been synonymous for 100 years are not is an etymological fallacy
And no, isolationism is not a defining trait of fascism; just look at the Nazis and Mussolini
Most fascist movements grow out of conservative movement’s
The Nazis were isolationist, the Italians less so
That is not actually true
It really is. It’s not international relations when you’re conquering them
You can be an isolationist conquerer
The Nazis were anything but isolationist
They were- they locked themselves off from the international community and broke off treaties and acted unilaterally
They were supremely isolationist
So like, “left” and “right” come from the French assembly
And where people sat