Message from @Deleted User

Discord ID: 624316728746442762


2019-09-19 18:48:19 UTC  

It is Aristotelian metaphysics which is false, since we have a better understanding of physics.

2019-09-19 18:48:20 UTC  

Things were never infinetley in motion to begin with.

2019-09-19 18:48:27 UTC  

Metaphysics follows physics.

2019-09-19 18:48:30 UTC  

Hence the 'meta'.

2019-09-19 18:48:41 UTC  

You can't not have somthing move and another not move.

2019-09-19 18:49:05 UTC  

You are denying the fact that in our universe there is a begining and an end.

2019-09-19 18:49:08 UTC  

An unmoved mover does not equal God as well.

2019-09-19 18:49:14 UTC  

No b-theory of time.

2019-09-19 18:49:20 UTC  

"Began to exist" is incoherent.

2019-09-19 18:49:38 UTC  

In the begining chaos was the lack of motion, and in the end there is nothing but frozen cosmo.

2019-09-19 18:49:43 UTC  

Nope.

2019-09-19 18:50:11 UTC  

You say there is no such thing as a beging because your claiming its all infinitley relative without the involvement of God even begining it all?

2019-09-19 18:50:16 UTC  

You are using Aquinas' first way, yes?

2019-09-19 18:50:41 UTC  

No I'm claiming 'began to exist' is incoherent according to b-theory of time.

2019-09-19 18:50:57 UTC  

And your definition of motion is incorrect, I'm correcting it.

2019-09-19 18:51:14 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523834972126052352/624316584697135104/8e3e6cddd5aa6ee6b7351481305d4287.png

2019-09-19 18:51:19 UTC  

Even proven in the Bible

2019-09-19 18:51:22 UTC  

Wrong.

2019-09-19 18:51:29 UTC  

Why are you using the Bible?

2019-09-19 18:51:38 UTC  

Arguing for God does not require prior belief.

2019-09-19 18:51:47 UTC  

This is metaphysics, not the Bible.

2019-09-19 18:51:47 UTC  

Because its recorded in the bible.

2019-09-19 18:51:59 UTC  

Circular reasoning.

2019-09-19 18:52:19 UTC  

1) The Bible is true
2) This is because it is recorded in the Bible
3) Therefore it is true

2019-09-19 18:52:28 UTC  

Why are you taking Golden boy seriously lol

2019-09-19 18:52:32 UTC  

The library of alexandria was burned so humanity lost like 5000 years of knowledge and now people like you come out of the wedlock to deny God had any involvement in the creation of the universe and Manm

2019-09-19 18:52:33 UTC  

This is called begging the question fallacy.

2019-09-19 18:53:00 UTC  

Clearly this man has not hard of the school of skepticism.

2019-09-19 18:53:09 UTC  

Nor of epicureans.

2019-09-19 18:53:35 UTC  

This has nothing to do with the topic.

2019-09-19 18:53:52 UTC  

This debate is about philosophy and religion. The fact that you deny aquinas's perspectives is just another dumbfounded counter arguement to make

2019-09-19 18:54:05 UTC  

Aquinas has been refuted though.

2019-09-19 18:54:20 UTC  

Refuted by who? The "Experts"

2019-09-19 18:54:20 UTC  

His definition of motion is incorrect.

2019-09-19 18:54:30 UTC  

Yes, philosophers.

2019-09-19 18:54:35 UTC  

And modern day physics.

2019-09-19 18:54:53 UTC  

His metaphysics relies on Aristotle which is outdated.

2019-09-19 18:55:10 UTC  

So do you concede?

2019-09-19 18:55:19 UTC  

You cannot defend your faith nor your belief in God.

2019-09-19 18:55:24 UTC  

Modern day phics literally proves that there had to be a first artificial motion in place in order for there to even be motion

2019-09-19 18:55:31 UTC  

Wrong.