Message from @Fuskand

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2020-01-07 10:08:59 UTC  

Absolute nonsense. Like I said - torturing autistic children with Calculus.

2020-01-07 10:09:07 UTC  

I guess this sort of philosophy is too high IQ for the layman. I recommend reading the Kybalion and Mind Power: Secrets of Mental Magic to better understand the concepts at play here.

2020-01-07 10:10:42 UTC  

But to simplify the concept even further; before *anything* can happen, there must *first* be a desire *for that thing* to exist, before it can *actually* exist.

2020-01-07 10:11:18 UTC  

So before the whole of reality was created, something or *someone* needed to have desired it.

2020-01-07 10:11:33 UTC  

And that *someone* is the Lord God.

2020-01-07 10:11:58 UTC  

Ergo the whole of reality and everything you understand is underpinned by God's desire.

2020-01-07 10:13:32 UTC  

This isn't debatable, it's the logical beginning to any sort of argument that could ever be made. Without acknowledging this basic fact, you will never, *ever* be able to form a coherent argument for anything.

2020-01-07 10:13:32 UTC  

GG @Fuskand, you just advanced to level 1!

2020-01-07 10:26:30 UTC  

Why does existence require desire?

2020-01-07 10:32:38 UTC  

Because before you do anything you need to desire it to happen. It's the process of actualization.

2020-01-07 10:35:54 UTC  

the universe doesn't operate under the same limits of human will and body. There's a quasar right now shooting hundreds of trillions of gallons of water from a collision with another celestial body, and nothing more causes that than the trajectory both were following.

2020-01-07 10:36:46 UTC  

Except for the fact that desire isn't an exclusive quality of living matter.

2020-01-07 10:37:10 UTC  

Take, for example, the existence of molecules.

2020-01-07 10:37:18 UTC  

yes it is, more specifically sentience and will. Only human traits.

2020-01-07 10:37:41 UTC  

Atoms themselves demonstrate likes and dislikes. Atoms have preferences for which other atoms they will pair up with or reject.

2020-01-07 10:38:02 UTC  

Desire isn't a human quality, it exists within *everything*.

2020-01-07 10:38:57 UTC  

you're anthropomorphizing basic physics, and I don't see why.

2020-01-07 10:39:22 UTC  

Then explain *why* atoms have preferences and how molecules are formed without an arbitrary standard.

2020-01-07 10:39:24 UTC  

I'll wait.

2020-01-07 10:40:01 UTC  

the essential laws that dictate the material universe. No why, no what if, just how.

2020-01-07 10:40:28 UTC  

And the essential laws are based off of a desire for *those specific laws* to be the effect.

2020-01-07 10:41:01 UTC  

So it all comes back around to who or what desired these laws and their intended effects.

2020-01-07 10:41:33 UTC  

Otherwise you have no basis to go off of and any argument you make is completely arbitrary and cannot stand on its own.

2020-01-07 10:41:52 UTC  

Again, you're baselessly shoehorning the concept of desire to inanimate objects.

2020-01-07 10:42:19 UTC  

A rock can travel hundreds of miles a desert due to wind. "What" desired that?

2020-01-07 10:42:27 UTC  

I'm not though. There is a base, and I've already demonstrated that. Atoms have their preferences, their likes or dislikes, concerning what other atoms they join up with to form molecules.

2020-01-07 10:42:48 UTC  

You cannot explain that phenomenon without the basis of desire

2020-01-07 10:42:51 UTC  

It's not preferences, it's compatibility within the laws of physics.

2020-01-07 10:43:08 UTC  

And you cannot attribute desire without some form of sentience.

2020-01-07 10:43:42 UTC  

And those compatibilities were an end result *that was desired*. Otherwise there is no reason or basis to believe that the laws of physics behave the way we experience them, since there is no empirical beginning to it.

2020-01-07 10:44:45 UTC  

There was nothing "desired". Two magnets slam together because that's what polarity does. There was no thought or will behind it.

2020-01-07 10:45:00 UTC  

Then why do magnets also repel each other?

2020-01-07 10:45:00 UTC  

GG @Fuskand, you just advanced to level 2!

2020-01-07 10:45:16 UTC  

You should shift this through an Aristotelian perspective (potentiality and actuality), @Fuskand, else you won't get anywhere.

2020-01-07 10:45:22 UTC  

Based off what polarity is available? Because the polarities have their *preferences*.

2020-01-07 10:45:30 UTC  

Depends on the polarity and their position, due to again, simple physics, relatively anyway.

2020-01-07 10:45:56 UTC  

Except you cannot explain simple physics in any coherent way other than as a desire.

2020-01-07 10:46:16 UTC  

Everything else described is just a result of what was desired.

2020-01-07 10:46:40 UTC  

It just explains the ending of the actualization process without actually touching on where it *began*.

2020-01-07 10:46:47 UTC  

Looks like some cruel motherfuckers showed up after all

2020-01-07 10:46:52 UTC  

No, as an event that is testable and replicatable. Your terminology is your obsession, not mine.