or the guy that hires somebody to kill his wife?

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I feel like were talking past each other and I feel like Im just not getting your point

Because you are very incorrect on this point.

What

no

I dont get your point

Thats my point

Can you please just restate my point so I can figure this out, Im sorry, Im sure this is just me being a dumbass

You have painted it in a picture and can't let go.

The only difference between killing and murder is authorization. That's it.
Legality.

Ok

by killing do you mean moral killing

how would you define murder and how would you define killing

it is only immoral when authorized by the wrong party.

would you call murder immoral killing and killing moral killing?

Please define the terms because I dont want to make a counter argument until Im sure of what youre trying to say, sorry if Im making this difficult

it's confusing as heck, but yeah.
It makes more sense to just drop the moral part out though.

Ok so you're saying the difference between killing being ok or being not ok is who authorizes it?

A killing is an unprosecuted murder.

ok I think i get what you mean

So you're talking about like the right side of history type stuff?

bc I thought you were talking about a moral distinction

Literally, under the UCMJ, you can be shot by firing squad for rape. But for murder, you just have to justify your actions to your supervisors.

Like authorization is what MAKES killing moral or immoral, I thought that's what you were saying

Ok so that is what you were saying?

yes!

Oh ok!

Well I think the moral distinction lies in the aggression part

a hitman?

And I think the battlefield gets pretty morally gray

No like

Hmmm

If I were to just shoot you that would be murder

But

If you shot at me then I shot you it would not be murder

Because in the first case I was being aggressive

But in the second case I was being reactionary

a hitman blows your theory out of the water. That's calm, cold and very calculated.
It also would only be immoral if you happen to be in the wrong jurisdiction

Ok but like that's still aggressive

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we'd have to put any battlefield in the context of whether there is a Just War happening