Message from @Yusa

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2020-03-06 14:42:30 UTC  

Surely that’s not what you want with evolution.

2020-03-06 14:43:51 UTC  

**Mutations are the fundamental cause of aging** (Kudlow, B.A., Kennedy, B.K. and Monnat, R.J. Jr, Werner and Hutchinson–Gilford progeria syndromes: mechanistic basis of human progeroid diseases, Nature Reviews Molecular Cell Biology 8:394–404, 2007.)

2020-03-06 14:45:43 UTC  

**they are also the fundamental cause of cancer** (Eccleston, A. and Dhand, R., Signaling in cancer, Nature 441(7092):423, 2006)

2020-03-06 14:45:50 UTC  

So, first of all

2020-03-06 14:46:19 UTC  

That’s a mechanism of aging, it’s not the only one

2020-03-06 14:46:27 UTC  

**And infectious diseases** Casanova, J-L. and Abel, L., Human genetics of infectious diseases: a unified theory, The EMBO Journal 26:915–922, 2007

2020-03-06 14:46:28 UTC  

But yes what you’re saying is generally true

2020-03-06 14:46:53 UTC  

Selective pressure keeps it in line

2020-03-06 14:48:11 UTC  

There are a lot of sexual selection adaptations that are acted on by that pressure

2020-03-06 14:48:36 UTC  

Ah yes, selective pressure.

2020-03-06 14:48:46 UTC  

Of course you bring that up

2020-03-06 14:48:52 UTC  

...yes

2020-03-06 14:49:35 UTC  

Let’s hear it, what’s your argument against selective pressure

2020-03-06 14:50:01 UTC  

Sure, just a minute

2020-03-06 14:50:08 UTC  

I’m grabbing citations

2020-03-06 14:50:14 UTC  

You don’t need citations

2020-03-06 14:50:22 UTC  

Just talk to me like a normal person

2020-03-06 14:50:33 UTC  

I agreed with everything you said earlier, you didn’t need any of those citations

2020-03-06 14:50:34 UTC  

Wait wait wait, no citations?

2020-03-06 14:50:50 UTC  

If I challenge something then go ahead and provide a citation

2020-03-06 14:50:54 UTC  

This is going to be easier then I though

2020-03-06 14:51:01 UTC  

You don’t need to back up information that we both agree is true

2020-03-06 14:51:10 UTC  

So let’s hear it

2020-03-06 14:54:34 UTC  

@Sophie Selective pressure does weed out less fit creatures, although the animals it doesn’t weed out would have to have super power genetics every single time in order to reach the place we are today

2020-03-06 14:55:09 UTC  

K.

2020-03-06 14:55:44 UTC  

So selective pressure makes sure that detrimentally disadvantageous mutations are removed from the gene pool

2020-03-06 14:56:40 UTC  

Well, the gene pool is a whole different thing

2020-03-06 14:56:48 UTC  

Howso?

2020-03-06 14:57:45 UTC  

Because the gene pool would need instructions to begin with

2020-03-06 14:57:55 UTC  

...what?

2020-03-06 14:58:39 UTC  

I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean

2020-03-06 14:59:14 UTC  

The gene pool is just all the genes that exist within a breeding population

2020-03-06 14:59:55 UTC  

Ah, ok. We were thinking of different things.

2020-03-06 15:00:35 UTC  

We’re assuming the genes already have the basic instructions of survival?

2020-03-06 15:00:39 UTC  

Right?

2020-03-06 15:00:56 UTC  

No?

2020-03-06 15:01:01 UTC  

(Which is already a big assumption)

2020-03-06 15:01:05 UTC  

Only genes that survive

2020-03-06 15:01:14 UTC  

It’s not an assumption, it’s necessarily the case

2020-03-06 15:01:27 UTC  

You are alive, therefore your genes have the instructions for survival

2020-03-06 15:01:40 UTC  

Whatever that means