alright lets say the mom lives in an abusive house and neighbourhood, and the father left her

she doesn't have the resources to take care of the baby

adoption is always an option

Does she have any relatives who could take care of it?

GG @21ooAB, you just advanced to level 1!

what if she doesnt want to give it to her relatives because it would be a burden on them

My aunt is infertile and she loves kids. She adopted one

nice

SORRY I HAD TO GO

but

the adoption and foster care situation doesn't exactly treat kids right all the time

This is true

entrusting your kid to a messed up system is a HUGE decision, and if some people don't want to, you shouldn't be able to force them to

Although, I've rather be in that than ripped apart

but you wouldnt know you are dead if you are fetus

you have no mind

you dont even remember being a fetus

The gift of life is something I would never deny to anyone

even if that life starts in a potentially abusive situatiion

gift of life but comes at the price of bad childhood

you dont remember being a baby either but does that mean your not alive as a baby?

I would live below my means to keep that promise

i do agree however that the adoption system needs to be reworked

so the needs of a 2 week old > the needs of a fully formed human in your minds?

The most vulnerable should be protected

well i dont believe we should put the needs of one person above another regardless of age

the only time i believe abortion should be a vauable option is if it can save the mothers life

so you don't think abortion is right even in cases of rape??

two wrongs dont make a right

ok that baby could represent the outcome of a situation

the mother might not be able to look at that baby without recalling her lowest low

it's not right to look at a baby and think about that

if you cant handle the thought of that then you can give the baby to a relative who is willing to take care of it

what if you don't have a relative like that

or what if you don't want to entrust something as big as a baby to someone else

well see the problem with that is in my mind why would you not wanna hand the baby off where it could potientially live a long and successful life but instead have it killed

what defines life in your opinion?

like how do we measure when/if something is alive?

GG @ashnaa, you just advanced to level 3!

well in my opinion

if it has a heartbeat its alive