idrk how to explain um

it hasn't fully formed all the features someone of it's species would have, like lungs

sorry i can't explain this that well

That's ok. See, when you draw the line of "is it a life" at anywhere besides conception, you end up also including a portion of humans who are walking around among us

it hasn't formed all the features necessary for sustaining human life

There are people with no heartbeat, no x y z whatever part you want to bring up, who still cling to life, however I assume you don't advocate that it's acceptable to terminate them

yes, it's definitely not

but if they are clinging to life then just let them die

And even then, I don't think the ability to sustain yourself should be the criteria for will you be killed or not. And I would disagree with that

if they want to

yea

i keep bringing this up but bodily autonomy!!

I really dislike the whole "dying with dignity" phase. Some people want to fight until their last breath, and the idea that dying in that manner somehow strips you of your dignity is terrible, but anyway, back on topic

and like you're wasting a hospital bed just to keep a person thats nearly dead alive

you sound so mean

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

well uh

not you, thomas lmao

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oh

ok

if they're in extreme pain, then ig yeah you can

but if they're able to sustain themselves without violating bodily autonomy, then their life doesn't require the consent of anyone else

I honestly think the discussion has little to do with bodily autonomy. There are a series of choices that lead to somebody becoming pregnant, including engaging in a sexual act, not using a condom, not using birth control, and numerous other things that then lead to a baby being formed. To then say "my body my choice" contradicts all of this person's previous actions when they failed to prevent the pregnancy from occurring at every single level

And once that pregnancy has occurred, and if left unimpeded this "clump of cells" would become a person with dreams, hopes, and goals, then I have an issue with terminating it based on "bodily autonomy"

yes, people do engage in unprotected sex, but that doesn't mean they choose to have a baby

If that person truly cared about bodily autonomy they would have prevented the pregnancy (of course, referring to the vast majority of abortion cases, and not the outliers)

Yes, it does. By engaging in this act they are accepting the consequences

If I go outside and rob a store, by doing so, I am accepting the consequence that I may go to jail

unless you weren't informed of the consequences

Am I choosing to go to jail? No, but it's a consequence I have accepted by choosing that action

Ignorance is not an excuse to the law, at least referring to the robbery case

are we talking about abortion?

yes, it's not an excuse to disobey the law

yeah

I would not believe that, in the vast majority of circumstances, in our modern society, a person would be clueless on the basics of human reproduction

oh fuck fetuses

first trimester hell yeah

abort that shit

yeah

if you dont want it