Then you're limiting it to specific factors which can harm a life. You're ignoring the social and economic damages of having a kid prior to being able to sustain it

Which then ruin both lives

Does this mean you value potential life less or equal to actual life? @Billcat

I'm saying the social and economic factors are not relevant because carrying a baby does not equal raising a child

basically for billcat, he values morals over science. for us, we value science over morals, even though the science does fit our morals.

well thats how i interpret it anyways

yea but you carrying a baby and not aborting will lead to harming the mother

or other people

So then to not raise it you put it up for adoption which I showed is currently a shit place for a child to be

Not quite. I think that science and morals are two separate things that work in tandem, not aagainst each other

why dont we talk about outliers now

Is a shitty place better than dead? @Komrade Kam

you explained your views on the majority

No

depends

Not at al

Then why even say that?

KomradeToday at 11:03 AM
So then to not raise it you put it up for adoption which I showed is currently a shit place for a child to be

They're not dead

Would you say abortion is murder? BillCat

They never were alive to be dead

murder of potential life

So if you never exist it doesn't matter

See, that doesn't logically add up, because we were just now discussing the moral nature of the debate

dude billcat. address the outliers. in cases of abusive relationships, minors getting pregnant, and rape, what are your views on abortion @Billcat

one sec ashnaa

ok

I point out that i'm speaking *exclusively* from my moral viewpoint, so you participate in this, and then once I point out your moral inconsistency, you retreat to the scientific definition of life @Komrade Kam

but science is also fact

and its proof

ohh

Yes, science presents a fact, but science does not tell you how to use that fact

so he defines life from a moralistic point of view

Yes, thank you.

yea

wait you're a he right

Yea

ok

now answer my question

outliers

abusive relationships, minors, and rape