Like, where do you think the mediavel system came from

They just invented it out of thin air?

There were existing vassalage relationships in Gaul and Iberia

This is why Charlemagne wanted to be crowned emperor of Rome...

Nobility
The term derives from Latin nobilitas, the abstract noun of the adjective nobilis ("well-known, famous, notable"). In ancient Roman society, nobiles originated as an informal designation for the political governing class who had allied interests, including both patricians and plebeian families (gentes) with an ancestor who had risen to the consulship through his own merit (see novus homo, "new man").

“A duke (male) can either be a monarch ranked below the emperor, king, and grand duke ruling over a duchy or a member of royalty or nobility, historically of highest rank, below princes of nobility and grand dukes. The title comes from French duc, itself from the Latin dux, 'leader', a term used in republican Rome to refer to a military commander without an official rank (particularly one of Germanic or Celtic origin), and later coming to mean the leading military commander of a province. “

Yeah, that’s centuries earlier though

A noble didn't hold power

We’re talking late antiquity here

there was no class

No, that’s in the republic

What happened was that there were these heavy tax burdens for the upkeep of the western empire

And mandatory military service

So plebs often wanted to avoid military service, while wealthy landowners wanted their land worked

So they would pay off debts of their plebeian workers and shelter them from military service

Then just build their own walls, as the army was becoming less effective and raids picking up

That’s where we get the real start of feudalism in the fall of the empire- now where those wealthy landowners came from

We’re the wealthy patrician and merchants and military commanders who had bought or recurved land grants in the provinces

For centuries Rome had held onto land with a combination of land grants to veterans and selling off farmland to wealthy patrons

The whole wealthy warlord thing really took off in the crisis of the 3rd century, which is also when Christianity started really taking off in Britain

But the idea that class struggle and largehold vs smallhold/peasant representation was like, invented with the codification of the peerage system

Is just moronic

really?

so what about the class system with the pope

bishops, priests, monks and nuns....

Those were stands

That grew out of the diocese system put in place by emperor dicoclecian

Stands had representation in government

Then was further codified by Constantine

and that was done through clergy

And the various liturgical councils that were presided over by the Roman emperor

It was done through clergy near the end of the empire, but that was very much a means to an end

They used Christianity to consolidate power; they didn’t consolidate power because of Christianity.

Which is like, my whole point.

but essentially, the ranking system you referred to

your argument is that duke is latin and was used by rome

turns out, was used completely differently

If you want to learn about this stuff I recommend checking out the history of Rome podcast

so was the word nobility and that entire class system

they didn't have such power nor rule

No, it’s that the actual reason that dukes called themselves dukes