I mean, look - there are lower estimates in conclusions and there are higher estimates

I don't have a degree, I just happen to know how to do essays backed up with valid references so my ass doesn't get marked down

And you think you know better than the historical consensus on this? You think it's all a conspiracy theory?

Like I said, you can dispute the exact numbers

@Deleted User weres your proof that the holocaust didnt happen? weres your proof that stalin didnt infact kill millions of people?

wait you have none

But if the range is say 5 million to 20 million people (based on accounts from different experts)

And somebody says "it wasn't millions! It was just thousands"

How can that be believed without EXTREME evidence?

That somehow invalidates everything else?

we have history that shows us that those deaths did indeed happen,

Yes, meaning people have come to different conclusions by approaching the subject in a different manner. I'm not talking about conspiracies, I'm talking about the number which in most studies is fixed between 4 to 6 million which is an alarming gap. Then again, I don't accept any number as being EXACT

(he wants a *single wartime document* that shows all these deaths, remember?)

I know that deaths happened so if your point is that the Holocaust killed Jews then I agree

Dude we aren't talking about 4 to 6 million difference here

That's within the margin of error, all things considered

War, destroyed documents, bias, all that stuff

@Dr.Cosby Thats impossible to come by and completely disingenuous to the point wheres its very memey asf

Of course @GoldenGail3 lol

2 Million is a huge gap. But everyone picks the highest estimate which is 6 million and uses it to generally take the moral high ground on an argument

Wait what’s happening?

I become interested when people are off by an entire factor (such as thousands vs millions)

I neever said thousands myself. I accept the 4-6 million but not an exact number

2 million is a huge gap, except when we're talking about estimated deaths during a huge war lol

Everything is relative.

@TheTrickster Someones denying both the holocaust and the millions of people murdered during Stalin's reign of terror

What’s being argued

Its really bad lol

Cite where I have denied something

I think he's more trying to be the devils advocate and trying to question the "accepted narrative"

I don’t think he’s denying I want to here him say it @Deleted User what are you doing

Which is generally admirable

But I don't think in the middle of a conversation with somebody claiming that Stalin's deaths are in the "thousands" is the right place

@Dr.Cosby That person makes me losses hope in society lol

My point is that the 6 million narrative is not used correctly. As it is used as the unquestionable exact number when there is disagreements between studies on the Holocaust deaths as to the possible estimate

@Deleted User and dude of course shit is going to be a bit off, it was like 70 years ago, some shit is going to be off

If you believe stalins death toll is one million off (I don’t agree), you are not that insane, but if you think it’s in the thousands you are fucking bonkers

@GoldenGail3 I'm always frustrated to see people with similar political viewpoints as me be so demented in other ways lol...they really uhh take a piss in the barrel, if you know what I mean

Exactly, I never said thousands

@Dr.Cosby i understand you mate lmao

You see, the way I see it people just see my role (fascist) and immediately come up with the cartoonish stereotype of the holocaust denier that says that a) didn't happen or b) it was "thousands" (aka a number that was never reached in a valid study)

Well maybe some...for me, when I see the fascist role I think "troll" or "edgy"