Message from @Pelth

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2020-02-05 10:58:02 UTC  

By necessity, they have to be significantly more similar to members of that race than any other

2020-02-05 10:58:15 UTC  

Otherwise they are considered mixed

2020-02-05 11:01:27 UTC  

And yet the data shows that those divisions are far more blurred than is generally perceived

2020-02-05 11:01:58 UTC  

No, it just means that people are being misidentified

2020-02-05 11:02:12 UTC  

Like if they have brown eyes, they aren’t white

2020-02-05 11:02:16 UTC  

Simple as

2020-02-05 11:03:06 UTC  

Black hair as well

2020-02-05 11:04:24 UTC  

If the races are different islands, we have a lot of mixed islands springing up between them that think they belong on one or the other main islands

2020-02-05 11:04:33 UTC  

But they belong on none of them

2020-02-05 11:10:56 UTC  

I don’t think you realize how much you’re imposing your interpretations into this. DNA is just a thing that exists, but you’re putting your own assumptions about how different genes should be grouped and categorized into it to make that framework happen

2020-02-05 11:11:36 UTC  

Overall genetic similarity is the only way to sort them

2020-02-05 11:12:24 UTC  

Any other way is just dishonest

2020-02-05 11:19:15 UTC  

Humans have a tendency to impose an ordered understanding onto naturally occurring chaos

2020-02-05 11:21:11 UTC  

These are what the charts look like. It’s commonly understood.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/513098515736690701/674575239434207242/image0.jpg

2020-02-05 11:21:47 UTC  

I find it interesting that you cite genetic similarity as the basis for race while discounting research that shows a lack of similarity. What’s really dishonest?

2020-02-05 11:22:37 UTC  

Ok? Once again, that’s data, but you’re also imposing your paradigms onto it

2020-02-05 11:22:56 UTC  

No it’s just the facts of the situation

2020-02-05 11:24:53 UTC  

Ok, let me ask you a hypothetical question

2020-02-05 11:26:26 UTC  

Let’s imagine two couples. One couple is blonde haired, blue eyed, European, total Nazi’s dream couple. The other is from central Africa, dark skinned, as African as African can be. By your definition of race, they’re different races, correct?

2020-02-05 11:26:26 UTC  

GG @abby_ella, you just advanced to level 4!

2020-02-05 11:26:50 UTC  

Yes

2020-02-05 11:28:42 UTC  

Now, both women become pregnant by their respective man. But, suddenly, out of nowehere, gamma rays from space hit both newly formed embryos, altering their DNAs. In a totally unlikely and basically impossible in real life scenario, their DNA mutates in such as way that both babies now have identical genetic codes. The two children are now, for all genetic purposes, identical twins. Are they the same race?

2020-02-05 11:29:59 UTC  

Yes, whatever race the gamma rays made them, potentially an undesignated race

2020-02-05 11:31:29 UTC  

That’s a very interesting answer, because I don’t think most people would agree with you on that. Whatever that’s worth

2020-02-05 11:31:43 UTC  

Why not

2020-02-05 11:33:29 UTC  

I feel like most would throw something about culture or heritage or geographic location in, which further cements the idea that race is an imagined community sort of thing

2020-02-05 11:33:50 UTC  

Race and culture are different

2020-02-05 11:34:37 UTC  

Still, your framework for understand race requires you to sort and categorize data into fairly arbitrary categories based on small similarities, so it’s still interpretive on your part

2020-02-05 11:35:27 UTC  

I agree that race and culture are different. Race is arbitrary categorization while culture is about collective creativity

2020-02-05 11:35:55 UTC  

I base race purely off of genes

2020-02-05 11:36:17 UTC  

Now, I’m positive race does have effects on culture

2020-02-05 11:36:58 UTC  

Why are you positive of that?

2020-02-05 11:37:01 UTC  

But, it doesn’t mean that people can’t adopt the cultures of other races

2020-02-05 11:37:14 UTC  

You know what they say: only fools are positive, geniuses hesitate

2020-02-05 11:37:21 UTC  

Lol

2020-02-05 11:37:36 UTC  

Look at Asian brains and how their culture reflects it

2020-02-05 11:38:25 UTC  

Their culture was formed in a way that they saw best due to the way they think

2020-02-05 11:39:02 UTC  

Language plays a role as well

2020-02-05 11:39:14 UTC  

But language is also constructed by the brain

2020-02-05 11:39:35 UTC  

You could just as easily argue that culture forms in response to historical and geographic context.

2020-02-05 11:40:04 UTC  

The overall themes of Asian culture are from their hardware