Well what else can I expect

When someone has already asserted that the Earth is flat, they won't listen to reason or logic

Like seriously

What part of the CCP council members being elected officials of Chinese regions do you not understand?

lol, are you defending the communist party?

I'm not defending the communist party of China and have many crtiticisms for it but what makes you think you and i know more than the Chinese

that's your reasoning for thinking it's ok?

I bet if you interviewed slaves in the 1800s a lot of them would have praised their masters too

I'm not thinking it's okay. I'm thinking you and I know shit

I'm thinking you lick boots

And I'm thinking you're a moron

cool

anything else?

Yea

Soviet means council

And the Secretary General of the USSR is a position that has to be approved by the Communist Council

Who's members are once more elected officials

The real head of the CCCP is the Chairman of the Council of the People Kommisariat which was Lenin

The Secretary General is actually the right hand of the Chairman

where do you live? what country?

If something happens to the Chairman then the SG takes over the administrative power to run the nation

That's non of your fucking businesstan

Anyway more history lessons

yeah, I'm logging, enjoy your filet of sole

Trotsky was never supposed to become the SG considering he only had 10% support in the party

Compared to Stalin who had 67%

And these are just historical facts that weren't discovered by Socialists

They were just discovered

So really by all means if you wanna bring uo something about these historical claims that would disprove it then go ahead

I'll read through those

I don't mind

At least unlike you I actually fucking read books and documents

GG @zerodegreec, you just advanced to level 1!

@Throttles it's just wrong. marx wasn't wrong about everything, i love his complex system proto-analysis. labor is basically a 70-90 watt input, what really gives us 'excess value' is the addition of energy, petrochemicals or similar. The Georgists were on the right path analyzing the land value and agriculture, but they didn't make the leap that it was the free solar energy that gave us the additions

likewise, petrochemicals are, roughly speaking, stored solar energy, nuclear fuel is a freebie from previous supernovae, etc. An economic theory that is based in reality has to respect thermodynamics

Labor without energy is a corpse; Machines without energy are sculptures

the 'labor' contribution to value is on non-commodity value preferences expressed by consumers(of any type) in the rationing function, so the british classical school paradox trap was another huge mistake marx draw from, but that's all he knew

later on in life he sort of recognized it and was trying to learn calculus so he could do some numerical analysis of his intuitions on what we now call complex analysis, but to get there you have to really respect the split between micro and macro, which is hard to do when steeped in this idea of macro being scaled up micro, whcih is necessarily CANNOT be, simply from an accounting pov

marx was sort of getting out of it, but the labor theory of value is really stuck in that micro/macro trap because labor IN THE SPECIFIC and labor IN THE GENERAL are going to be very different, by necessisty of any double-entry bookkeeping-style analysis of the real economy. This is why the Austrian-types are correct when they do labor econmics saying that, on one level, unions are essentially economic warfare organizations AGAINST other workers, not necessarily the capitalists

that's incomplete, but the gist is correct. if they had used double-entry book keeping to model multiple firms , they could have done a better job with it, but i dunno if the Marxist labor types would have accepted it, since i rarely see any accounting stuff in their work, even from the scientific socialists like COckshot etc

Good economics must respect accounting rules, similar to how they must respect thermodynamics, or you are modeling a fantasy world