Good economics must respect accounting rules, similar to how they must respect thermodynamics, or you are modeling a fantasy world

@Boo

I agree a lot of what people in the west learn about the USSR is bullshit. I've read all of Grover Furr's stuff, and does a pretty thorough job of it.

You don't really need to read Furr's books but it is still good material

I read them and the books he is criticizing, Bloodlands, etc

I've also been reading some of the stuff coming out of Vietnam as they have relaxed their press and historian access

Right. But really I don't find much of a point in arguing about history these days. I focus more on the Philosophical and Sociological aspects

So I just avoid them usually

They are related because most people aren't that theoretical; they get their ideas based on 'what history teaches us'

If they have bad history in their heads, what comes out of their mouths will be equally bad or worse

No I get that part but many others have already answered those questions so I would rather just direct people to those sources

Rather than repeat myself over and over again

what sources would you point qwasi too, for example, since he repeated over and over what is basically a historical argument, pointing out the relative conditions of socialist countries

Or what somebody might suggest comparing West versus East Germany?

Grover is a good example so is Kotkin

I'd mostly stick to documents really

The Finnish BOlshevik dude on youtube does a pretty good job with that format, but in general I find mose of the attempts along those lines fall apart when they leave the realm of historical analysis

I know Finnish Bolshevik but I don't watch too many of his videos

He seemed well read when I talked to him

But again I don't wanna argue for historical events that have no meaning when it comes to philosophy

https://twitter.com/wendellpotter/status/1206623259698974724

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiYJJr_Gp

ok here

here

yep

i got my sources

ok

i have proof

he has his sources

that socialism

works

in a country

it can work, it just won't produce as much wealth, which is capitalism's main advantage, due to creative destruction

yep

likewise capitalism can work, but will produce inequalities that drop the bottom out

see Libya had this leader called Mamour Al Gaddafi and he had socialist beliefs, and im gonna summarize it real quick

ok

aw man i cant send images

sad

lol

both have their place, and it's mostly a matter of phase and scale where you use each approach