Message from @raqdog
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became adults?
what?
I'd say the typical Soviet Union citizen was not incentivized enough to contribute anything worth while
Take a distribution of Americans and soviets and yes, you will have some high performing and low performing individuals on as outliers
what no, they had every incentive to work. Its a common misconception that under socialism there's no incentives, which is compeletiy false.
The majority of the population though needs incentive to produce
the collapse of the SU had nothing to do with incentives
I think it's all about incentive
Think about it like this, this is a bit of a rabbit hole:
no it isn't, it's poor leadership and wrong economic planning by the Politburo, and the collapse of the Union was further exasperated by a certain Gorbachev
In the effort to make an artificially intelligent robot. The hardest hurdle to first overcome is to get the machine to even recognize objects
The whole world is just one big object to the machine, it can't distinguish anything
Because first, before it can distinguish an object, it needs to filter out what's not important
And similar to this the way AI is being constructed, the majority of our circuitry is not actually reading what's going on in the world, it's trying to filter it out
These filters mean that we have to have a goal in mind to even make sense of the world when we get out of bed. For instance, you don't see the world completely when you hop out of bed, you'd go insane and wouldn't even be able to move. All you see are your slippers and an alarm clock
It's a bit of a rabbits hole like I said, but if you follow this chain of logic a bit more, you realize how goal oriented someone needs to be to function at all.
i understand your example, but incentivisation had nothing to do with the collapse or the SU, I alr explained the reasons why it collapsed
Goal oriented may not translate completely to incentive. But we build a whole narrative for ourselves based on these models we choose, socialism or capitalism
did you know that workers are actually more incentivised under socialism than capitalism?
this again is directly related to the theory of socially necessary labour time
it's a false narrative that the profit motive is what defined capitalism, under a capitalist system the profit motive only benefits the bourgeois and not the workers
Well
socially necessary labour time is the amount of labour (in labour hours) a worker puts into his work
I thought this version of socialism only applied to education and medicine. How do you rope workers into it?
no, wtf
education and medicine are just examples
under socialism
I think your on the wrong page, my friend
Yeah I don't get it. Is it like social security?
Are all snlt equal? If you are a janitor or a high level official?
no obviously, it depends on their profession
but the snlt is only temporary
under socialism we would have achieved post scarcity
so there's no need for wage labour or wages or money in general
Can we ever erradicate scarcity though. Isn't it just relative. You'd think the USA was full of people at the poverty line. But that line is always adjusting itself
Those poor people all have iPhones, clean water, flat screen TVs
eradicate scarcity? Yes, in a few centuries to thousands of years, depending on the rythhemic system of innovation. How many people in the USA are homeless, unemployed, can't afford education or healthcare again?
Lol it is not physically possible to eradicate scarcity. Do you live in an infinite universe?
What kind of bullshit is that
post scarcity is a actual theory, check it out. It's not currently possible at our present timescale of course, that's why I said centuries to thousands of years