tbh what i don't understand about demsocs is that we can make our economy fair without burning down wall street

there was once a time in this country where you could work <50 hours per week, have your spouse be unemployed, raise a small family, be mostly debt-free, own your house and car, and still have money in savings

Yeah but then TPTB wanted us to be more subservient so they loaded the working hours.

working hours should be a lot lower nowadays tbh and it sickens me that trump hasn't done much to solve it

theres no reason me, a office worker, should be working for the same amount of time that a factory worker in the 1940s worked

Because it goes deeper than Trump. The powers that be are safe as long as people are tired from working many hours.

Hey gamers

I like working over 50 hours but I’m an idiot so

There are studies that actually show we’re working a lot less hours than industrial time. Working hours have been shrinking.

Industrial revolution* time.

Why are there two the_donald discords?

BTW @SlapYoSelf you can still do all that stuff you listed. Back then I'm sure you didn't have 2 cars, a overside home, a laptop, cell phone, cable TV, a thousand other subscription services

https://twitter.com/ChiefTrumpster/status/1237803403029463045
Charlie Kirk supports migration, says Japan needs more "entrepreneurial immigrant communities".

"Muh GDP! We need more immigrants for muh GDP!". This is the future of the Republican party. Full of immigrants, drag queens, trannies and socially liberal losers like Kirk.

not being socially liberal to a point is a cuck move

Social liberals are retards, they're the real cucks. Stop with this fake "conservative" label.

not really a fake conservative label if you’re socially liberal to a certain point my man

Mad that Charlie wants to wreck Japan

🤡

Only in the modern era can you call social liberals "conservative". The history of conservatism started off with traditional values.

That's because neocons degraded what it means to be conservative, from preserving traditional values into an ideology about intervention. After Bush Sr., the focus was on preserving the free-market economy. This has nothing to do with the historic conservative definition.

What are the traditional conservative values in your mind and are conservatives allowed to stray apart on some ideas they disagree with?

Traditional marriage, traditional gender roles, pro-life, pro-Christian moral values, rejection of consumerism.

I don't remember the conservative stance always being against consumerism

"consumerism" is a false word used to demonize capitalism

To address the second part of your question, conservative is a label which is pretty clear in it's historic definition. It's main purpose is to preserve traditional values, such as some listed above. If conservatives perpetually surrender values such as the ones listed above, then it's obvious they shouldn't be considered conservative at all.

Consumerism is a creation of the modern world. It's pretty obvious that figures such as Edmund Burke wouldn't support it. *One of the founders of conservatism as we know it.

also pro-2nd amendment, anti gun restriction

ruggedly individualistic

This bullshit railing against consumerism is some commie bullshit

consumerism is a term made up by hippies in the 1960s who hated capitalism and human industrialism

aka losers in life

Remember, if you ever feel bad or are discouraged, just wip out any dollar bill and read one of the most beautiful lines this country has:

**IN GOD WE TRUST**

Have a good day and God Bless America!

And no, consumerism isn't a false word. It's pretty obvious that today's world is controlled by exacerbated materialism. In the 50s, the consumer attitude was much more moderate, consumer spending was much lower. Yet, people lived happier and more fulfilling lives.

And anti-consumerism isn't communistic either, that just shows your lack of understanding about economic systems.

i think how much you consume is just a function of your income anyway. if i make 500k/year im buying more stuff than at 50k/yr

Exactly, that's fine. But people are so controlled by brain chemistry that they end up wasting their incomes away on trivial material. Soyboys obsess over the Nintendo Switch, Funko Pops and other gay shit.

I dont get what point you're trying to argue.

You lose me at the consumerism argument, there's pros and cons to consumerism and that point has never been a defining factor of conservatism nor neoconservativism. While Edmund Burke was pretty particular on a lot of things especially the rallying ideas built upon by traditional Judeo-Christian values, the anti-consumerism sentiment has been largely absent from conservatism since it's conception.

Consumerism is bad because of peoples bad decisions?

consumer spending was probably lower in the 50s because they had way less stuff to buy