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@Darkseid isn't that "so long as" just as good as a but? 🤔 making a rule is one thing, making exceptions to a rule only opens up the possibility to exploit the exception for more exceptions using the same reasons.

@Sheamus it is a but, "But it has to be consensual, and legal age" there really isn't much to work with there not really much that can be exploited

@Darkseid lol you obviously missing the current argument that kids and animals can consent... I am not saying they understand what they consent to, but the argument is being made, and sadly more and more it is being embraced, after all, "love is love". That is the problem with supporting any forms of degeneracy and making an exception to the rule.

@Sheamus I don't think kids and animals can be 18🤔

Children can't consent because they're still developing the cognitive abilities to be able to fully understand consent and what it entails

@Darkseid yes, the age restriction is a rule of law that's non negotiable that needs to be enforced with authority and that rule of law protects children, and yet we see liberal attempts to negotiate around it. The argument that kids can consent is demonstrated with the fact that they can consent to gender transitions and what not inspite of many of them regretting it when they grow up.

And then there is the argument the that the degenerates attracted to same sex are born that way which is not a fact, it is a choice because the whole human genome has been mapped and no gene responsible for sexuality been uncovered as its a moral decision, but anyways they argue they are unfairly discriminated against because they are born that way and that love is love it shouldn't matter.

So those inclined to beastiality and pedophilia now also claim they are just born to be attracted to animals and children. So as it is currently going, the same arguments used to justify one form of degeneracy is being used to justify another, and if you allow one but not the other, that becomes inconsistent and leaves your argument wide open for actual discrimination and intolerance. How can you say you don't discriminate and you oppose discrimination, and you are tolerant when you clearly are inconsistent with your own claims?

This is the problem. This is why we reasonable folk actually oppose homosexuality, because that argument becomes really difficult to win in a reasonable and consistent fashion. You give them a hand and they take your whole arm.

@Cal agreed, and yet the argument is made and practiced where kids consent to things that destroy them. Why this even allowed us beyond me.

We're not homophobic, our reasons to oppose homosexuality is not some irrational fear, it's very much rational, it's the degeneracy that we fear encouraging that leads to further degeneracy. I've converted a few degenerates to become regenerate with reason, but you okes empowering them with your liberalism and tolerance for degeneracy makes it increasingly difficult by defending them. So would be nice if you guys can realize the principle that is the problem, instead of arguing over the context.

@Sheamus "Show me an instance of natural cross species breeding and how it was successful"...It does not occur in any form in nature without human involvement and the new species is always sterile, therefore the argument that people born with a natural attraction animals is redundant. I just disproved that without sacrificing my stance. Secondly countless amounts of research has already proven that children cannot in fact consent, hell they need parental permission for school trips and medication, forget about relationships. The phrasing is clear and concise, do you, but it has to be legal age and consensual. That is not a but, it's not an opening it is a requirement.

It's quite a simple concept, what you want to do with another consenting adult is up to you, but it has to be a consenting adult. Not an animal, not a child. Adult (18)

I do not agree with gender transition before puberty or hell even before age 18...our brains aren't even fully matured until after age 18 so I think transitioning before then can be dangerous and confusing..

@Darkseid it's not like i disagree with you lol, but whether you like it or not, other people are using the same rhetoric that justifies one thing, to justify another. The legal age of consent drops lower and lower, whether it be sexual or not, even with meds and other things, if and when children can demonstrate that they understand something, they can consent to it, for example if a boy can understand the feeling of being a girl, then he can consent to being a transgender, and then there are laws i think in Canada, where if you as a parent dont allow it, you get into trouble and your child is removed from your care.

"The new law stipulates that children’s services workers and family judges take into consideration a child’s “race, ancestry, place of origin, color, ethnic origin, citizenship, family diversity, disability, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender expression” when determining whether or not a child will remain with their parents or foster families.

Michael Couteau, the Minister of Child and Family Services, and who initially introduced the bill, said that he would consider parental discrimination on the basis of gender identity “a form of abuse when a child identifies as one way and a caregiver is saying ‘No, you need to do this differently.'”

He continued, “If it’s abuse, and if it’s within the definition, a child can be removed from that environment and placed into protection where the abuse stops.”

The new law now requires a parent or legal guardian to “direct the child or young person’s education and upbringing in accordance with the child’s or young person’s creed, community identity and cultural identity.”

The Supporting Children, Youth and Families Act of 2017 has also deleted previously established verbiage that allowed parents and guardians to raise their children under their own umbrella of faith."

These are things actually happening, now observe the slippery slope this becomes and where it leads to... It's not just about your virtues here... But anyways, shit's happening and you have to question how these things come to be

@ZombieQueen Agreed, this is a load of crap honestly. It's not based on reason and logic, it's based on feelings

@Sheamus Hence why the legal age is Adulthood...consent might drop but adulthood is always 18, fuck them perverts

@Darkseid I prefer adulthood as well, but it irks me that this is becoming legally possible in a way that we cannot legally take action against it without criminalizing outselves

and doing so on a political platform that only represents a meager 1% that wont even oppose it

@Sheamus Like wits getting rid of the mr/mrs prefixes...I hate it too, what you want to call yourself is your prerogative, but don't expect me to obliged or not question it

@Darkseid Yeah thats not as sensitive as child and animal abuse though, shit like that i can laugh off and I will still use the appropriate pronouns and prefixes whether they like it or not, when it becomes a law I will make a fuss about it, and if i have to go to prison for not agreeing to it, so be it.

@Sheamus Give it time, it will be...But the further they swing left...the hard the right swings back...that's just history, which reminds me, SA is long overdue for pushback

@Darkseid yup

"Everything flows out and in; everything has its tides;
all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests
in everything; the measure of the swing to the right,
is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm
compensates"

@Sheamus It's amazing how no one ever considers the pendulum effect...It's not like theres countless instances in history where the "oppressed" eventually seize power and become the oppressors to eventually lose it and become the oppressed again...It's like humanity is retarded

A simple concept...when you have power..don't be a dick, but nope first thing people do, is be a dick making kak for future generations down the line

@Darkseid That is exactly it, that is why the golden rule exists, to cancel out the pendulum swing. To escape the swing toward Pain, by the process of Neutralization before mentioned. By rising on to the higher plane of the Ego, much of the experience that comes to those dwelling on the lower plane is avoided and escaped. To get to that higher place, one must have principles, and also why we look up to a higher being, a higher conscious, not let ones lower ruler of feelings dictate the direction the pendulum swings. It's the lower cretins without principles that keep this pendulum swinging.

@Sheamus Tell that to our leadership, most reasonable people can think further than our lifetimes, the people leading us however😩

@Darkseid yeah i geneuinely dont think they care bud, sorry to be the bearer of bad news yet again, but it seems like this is not an issue with not understanding, I think they understand very well, and this is all intentional.

@Sheamus Lol if that's the case then it's just irresponsible

@Darkseid ofcourse, since when is selfishness ever responsible?

@Sheamus Capitalism

Selfishness that benefits everyone 😂

@Darkseid lol no, that is not a valid argument lol, there is a morally selfless practice of it, and there is a immoral selfish practice of it. one is a fair use of the system, the other an exploitive abuse. I think people take it to hart that capitalism is strictly selfish, when really it isnt strictly speaking. yes there are cnts that will cheat you and screw you, and they more often than not do in fact do more harm than good.

@Sheamus Yeah no I agree, but I'd rather have shit capitalism than communism😂

@Darkseid careful with what you wish for, in many ways it could be equally as bad. a mega corporation that can bribe their way out of trouble and practically own a monopoly on just about everything is not much different from an oligarchy of dictators.

@Sheamus We're in shit capitalism now, it's not that bad sure tech companies and other major industries trying to monopolise shit and bribing politicians to start wars etc. but it's better than starvation

@Darkseid I dunno, I can see a potential future where that can be possible

Revelation13: 16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

@Darkseid