Message from @John Cavil

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2020-04-20 05:44:19 UTC  

🙂

2020-04-20 05:44:28 UTC  

freakin' wrong face...........

2020-04-20 05:44:31 UTC  

Lol

2020-04-20 05:44:49 UTC  

Gotta make me that dinero

2020-04-20 05:45:48 UTC  

For the extra shit I dont wanna pay my own money for tbh

2020-04-20 05:47:01 UTC  

i understand that desire. you'll just find it harder off-hours is all. less liquidity and more advanced compeititon

2020-04-20 05:47:23 UTC  

having said that, i'll be trading FX off-hours as soon as i figure out this stupid MT4 software

2020-04-20 05:47:52 UTC  

Looks similar to the graphics for webull

2020-04-20 05:47:57 UTC  

The site you showed

2020-04-20 05:48:25 UTC  

yeah. except i can enter advanced orders

2020-04-20 05:48:42 UTC  

i think i can do efficient hotkey trading, but i haven't figured that out yet.

2020-04-20 05:50:04 UTC  

an example adv order i will be doing is called a bracket trade, and you need good trading software for things like that. i can enter either with MKT, STP, LMT, and once my trade has executed, my broker can already have instructions from my software to immediately start LMT for profit-taking and STP for stop-loss so i don't get caught with my dick in my hands

2020-04-20 05:50:22 UTC  

Sounds complicated as hell

2020-04-20 05:50:25 UTC  

and you can do a lot more than that. you can do triggers, OCOs, etc

2020-04-20 05:50:46 UTC  

well, that one is pretty easy. if you watch some youtubers do it, you're like "oh, that looks easy". they show you how to set this stuff up

2020-04-20 05:51:02 UTC  

i'll show you real quick.. hang on

2020-04-20 05:53:32 UTC  

at the top, i setup a bracket to take profit at 1-tick up from where i enter and stop loss at 1-tick below where i enter. where the arrow is, if i click, it will enter a STOP order to put in a MKT order once the price moves past my buy price

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/691770775010541651/701671880096088164/unknown.png

2020-04-20 05:54:57 UTC  

and the reason i want to trade e-mini and e-micros in particular is because they have known tick values. 1 tick on e-mini is a $50 move, and e-micro is $5 move. so it's a lot less thinking about how to setup my brackets than a stock, where i have to determine what price movement i want

2020-04-20 05:55:22 UTC  

i'm just not knowledgeable enough yet to determine how large my brackets should be on random stocks

2020-04-20 05:55:42 UTC  

You're trading 2.8k shares at a time?

2020-04-20 05:58:00 UTC  

if i trade e-mini, yes, i would be paying about 2.8k per contract. that's a notional value

2020-04-20 05:58:16 UTC  

you need 13.2k of margin to enter it, per contract

2020-04-20 05:58:34 UTC  

but that's on TDA. with other brokers, you can do some of this with less.

2020-04-20 05:58:43 UTC  

if you trade e-micro, the price is 1/10 that

2020-04-20 06:01:43 UTC  

left circle tells you that this future moves in 1/4 tick increments. each 1/4 tick is $12.50 of movement. the multiplier of 50 is 50*notional value, or in this case, the future would be controlling $143k of underlying value (and if you wait the full 60 days for settlement, if that ended up being the notional value, that's how much you'd pay to buy it).

therefore, you see on the right that there is a 13.2k initial margin requirement

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/691770775010541651/701673937536548874/unknown.png

2020-04-20 06:02:29 UTC  

but my goal is not to hold the futures. i will get in and get out. and i am only going to trade around the opens. but if you hold until EOD, you will be marked to market, which means you will have to meet the margin maintenance requirements. so just don't be a bag holder at EOD

2020-04-20 06:02:50 UTC  

and like i said, this is at TDA. there are other brokers that i believe let you trade these with much smaller accounts

2020-04-20 06:05:10 UTC  

but you want to know what TDA and IB can offer you that most brokers can't? settlement margin on IRA/Roth IRA trading. so you can day trade your retirement accounts for big gains

2020-04-20 06:05:39 UTC  

it's an american thing so you'll need to get your IRA up to 25+k first before you can do more than 3 round-trips per 5-day rolling week, but you get the picture

2020-04-20 06:05:53 UTC  

most brokers do not offer settlement margin on retirement accounts. that's a big bonus of those brokers

2020-04-20 06:07:45 UTC  

i guess we should have a trading channel setup in here. at least you and i like this topic. what do you think @Knordox ?

2020-04-20 06:12:52 UTC  

Yea I can make one

2020-04-20 06:13:14 UTC  

Made it

2020-04-20 06:16:16 UTC  

The best server owner

2020-04-20 06:16:40 UTC  

Shit I wish.

2020-04-20 06:17:04 UTC  

Nah bro, you’re my favorite

2020-04-20 06:17:40 UTC  

same

2020-04-20 06:18:31 UTC  

Knordox = perfect

2020-04-20 06:20:45 UTC  

Well just know I appreciate all of y’all for y’all being here means a lot to me!

2020-04-20 06:21:38 UTC  

Awww, this is just a big ole respect circle

2020-04-20 06:22:58 UTC  

Yessire! You’re the youngest person here btw but you’re mature enough for us to like you so I like you.