Message from @Pelth
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forced public executions, eveyone has to watch
@Pelth we have data on this. the black american slaves had better diets, less work horus, better literacy rates, more spending money and so on than eastern european serfs did even in the 1700s, let alone the misery and hellscape of 1200s serfdom
@WP but the dalits had it worst, and china still sucks
hardly anybody could read, nobody needed to read back then
there wasn't anything TO read
hello
@Pelth you're discussing the worst existences humans have suffered in all of human history. a nightmarish world of eternal starvation and oppression
@WP different time period, thats like sayint the cavemen had a higher deathrate so they are dumber
@CallMeTruckson same time period
the serfs only worked as much as they needed to survive pretty much
there were some exceptions here and there of tyranny but that was short lived at best
@Pelth they produced everything they could, and just that left them borderline starving, and then ontop of that shitty subsistence farming then the baron would take a tax
the serf was self sustainable and he gave part of surpluses in tax
@Pelth they lived off scraps of nutritionless grain. their lives were hell
@Pelth they weren't sustainable hence the constant famines. inbetween the famines even then most of them died as infants, if you didn't die as an infant then you probably died in childhood, and if you didn't die in childhood you probably died in adolesence
some serfs did trades and they would exchange their services for food and goods they needed
it was quite comfy
@Pelth if they weren't married by around 21 they were put in an arrangedm arriage by their baron to produce more workers
that seems like a city ordinance
@Pelth it was entirely typical. starvation, death in childhood, famines and so on were the norm
they would have no way to enforce those laws
@Pelth the people in the cities lived comparable luxurious lives with fine wares, lots of money to spend, exotic goods
@Pelth you're a fucking idiot who knows nothing about history and everything you say is wrong
you're just endlessly making up dumb shit that you for some reason wish was true
there usually weren't many laws
you're ignorant as fuck on this subject
you need to stop
justice was enforced by the serfs themselves in many cases
you're a clueless fucking mongoloid who knwos nothing about medieval economy
or by appeal to their lord
you dont' understand anything about serfdom, how it ended, the transition from open field system to agricultural enclosure
you're just some weirdo who got some weird romantic idea of serfdom and wants to make up dumb shit about it
a typical lord would have a handful of permanent soldiers at best
the reality is that in serfdom these people lived in rags, they were so malnutritioned that they usually only grew to about 5 foot to 5 and a half foot tall
literally that was their height
imagine eating so little nutrition that you grew to only 5 and a half foot tall
well, then again, maybe i'm talking to a manlet
the population of medieval europe was actually quite low