@WP because foot binding, china and china, and a little of china and falun gong and ramen

@Pelth you're talking about serfs. once people became freemen they had to earn a living. you don't know anything about middle ages or early modern history

china is dumb country, it has been since ancient times

@Pelth you need to stop. you don't know what you're talking about and don't have an argument

you don't understand what a serf is

@Pelth a serf is someone who is bound to land. you need to stop. this is not a conversation between equals. you don't understand anything about this

they were nothing like SLAVES

china loves da opium, and the noodle

@Pelth it was far worse than slavery really

no it's not the same at all

@Pelth for example the slaves in americas enjoyed very nice lives compared to the serfs in the middle ages

the NK are hostages

serfdom was really just a protection contract where you paid taxes in the form of the products of your labor pretty much

@Pelth infact the slaves in america had better lives than serfs still in europe such as eastern europe where serfdom still existed

forced public executions, eveyone has to watch

@Pelth we have data on this. the black american slaves had better diets, less work horus, better literacy rates, more spending money and so on than eastern european serfs did even in the 1700s, let alone the misery and hellscape of 1200s serfdom

@WP but the dalits had it worst, and china still sucks

hardly anybody could read, nobody needed to read back then

there wasn't anything TO read

hello

@Pelth you're discussing the worst existences humans have suffered in all of human history. a nightmarish world of eternal starvation and oppression

@WP different time period, thats like sayint the cavemen had a higher deathrate so they are dumber

@CallMeTruckson same time period

the serfs only worked as much as they needed to survive pretty much

there were some exceptions here and there of tyranny but that was short lived at best

@Pelth they produced everything they could, and just that left them borderline starving, and then ontop of that shitty subsistence farming then the baron would take a tax

the serf was self sustainable and he gave part of surpluses in tax

@Pelth they lived off scraps of nutritionless grain. their lives were hell

@Pelth they weren't sustainable hence the constant famines. inbetween the famines even then most of them died as infants, if you didn't die as an infant then you probably died in childhood, and if you didn't die in childhood you probably died in adolesence

some serfs did trades and they would exchange their services for food and goods they needed

@Pelth they were actually forced to breed by law

it was quite comfy

@Pelth if they weren't married by around 21 they were put in an arrangedm arriage by their baron to produce more workers

@Pelth they were the worst lives in human history

that was not typical

that seems like a city ordinance

@Pelth it was entirely typical. starvation, death in childhood, famines and so on were the norm

they would have no way to enforce those laws

@Pelth the people in the cities lived comparable luxurious lives with fine wares, lots of money to spend, exotic goods

@Pelth you're a fucking idiot who knows nothing about history and everything you say is wrong

you're just endlessly making up dumb shit that you for some reason wish was true