>1. A good, well taken care of gun will last you fucking decades
So will a car
>2. the fact that you can shoot someone from a longer distance, they have less time to react to someone
Oh so that's why the death toll is always 0 when the Allahu Akbars use speeding trucks for their attacks? You don't have much time to dodge a car that swerves out of it's file and heads straight for you, and a car is BIG
>3. the amount of gang violence with projectile weaponry.
Also use cars. Whenever there's been a robbery you don't hear about the perpetrator escaping on foot. Mugging maybe but even then there's usually a car nearby waiting

okay, for that third point.

Yeah, add "muh mass surveillance" to that list too mimi

*was the car used in a violent manner*

why is THAT relevant?

if you are american you ought to renounce your citizenship and move somewhere sufficiently oppressive for your tastes.

not all crime is violent

most of it isn't, or isn't *particularly* violent

because we're talking about violent crimes XD

Yeah, a fucking car is going to be used in a violent crime

why does your principles only care about violent transgressions?

No shit sherlock.

Because it's what I'm trying to get rid of

...why?

Because, gun violence is wrong, it has ruined families and lives.

so has tyranny

not an argument. That is true for all crimes with a victim

And mass surveilance against crime would be incredibly fucking useful in catching murderers, thieves, and all kinds of criminals.

Listen, I have my reasons, previous events that have occurred.

mass surveillance would also be extremely useful in political oppression.

you're like every other Utopian tyrant in history. give you more power for to keep people safe. it's for the children, blah blah blah

pathetic. it's like you've never read a book in your life.

1984 isn't a fucking instruction manual.

and if the government becomes oppressive and corrupt to that point you're so worried about they'll just be overthrown by the american people

because we as a nation don't stand for that bullshit?

because **we have guns**

that the American people are so well armed is not a bug

it's a feature

*sigh*

We've failed to stand against a lot of bullshit, take a look at current mass surveillance that has been allowed to take place

and for a law abidding citizen when has massive survellience ever impedded heavily on your liberties as a human being

have you been, jailed?

Fined?

convicted of a crime you didn't commit?

because politicians never abuse their power

No, because under surveilance, as long as you're a good, law abiding citizen, you really have nothing to worry about

I believe surveillance should be handled by city to city basis.

a lot of Nazis said the same thing

by the police force within each city.

as long as you're a good, law abiding German citizen you have nothing to fear