Message from NippleKing in Subverse #shitposting


2018-01-10 19:11:12 UTC  

preserving certain values that help benefit or don't harm while getting rid of values that don't benefit and may harm

2018-01-10 19:11:17 UTC  

Wanting to exist and retain existence

2018-01-10 19:11:56 UTC  

the problem is some values may seem harmful or inane but do more than that is apparent

2018-01-10 19:12:20 UTC  

and some values can be taken too far and become abusive

2018-01-10 19:13:24 UTC  

Well, there's also trying to change stuff without fully understanding what you're even trying to change. A perfect example of this is "the wage gap", wherein women make less money than men. It's easy to look at this and go "oh well that isn't right, we need to fix this."
The problem comes into play when no one bothers asking or looking into *why* this is the case.

2018-01-10 19:13:26 UTC  

Still. Maybe cause it moved ftom change since you hate what it was before to,change cause it benefits me or cause it makes me feel good.

2018-01-10 19:14:25 UTC  

Yeah that's mostly moral arbiting, jaden

2018-01-10 19:15:06 UTC  

not critisizing anyone, trying to follow this conversation, but i really dont know what anyone is talking about. like i know what your saying but im not sure what it relates to, and looking up through the chat didint help me figure out

2018-01-10 19:15:09 UTC  

You can make a group of people feel like they're doing what is morally good by supporting you. That's the democrats platform these days

2018-01-10 19:15:40 UTC  

Probably what its always been for all I know

2018-01-10 19:15:48 UTC  

It's the strong, supportive patriarchal figure and the protective, quixotic matriarchal figure

2018-01-10 19:15:49 UTC  

I think it's just a general conversation about ideas, I'm not sure what the precise topic of discussion is. lol

2018-01-10 19:16:14 UTC  

mostly discussing what consists of progressivism i guess

2018-01-10 19:16:16 UTC  

You need both to be in some sort of balance

2018-01-10 19:16:32 UTC  

mk

2018-01-10 19:17:08 UTC  

yeah it's not "out with the old, in with the new" it's "out with the structurally unsound, in with the structurally sound/beneficial"

2018-01-10 19:17:45 UTC  

a problem the current meme left struggle with

2018-01-10 19:17:50 UTC  

depends on who's using the word progressive

2018-01-10 19:18:51 UTC  

that follows its origenal context, where the term progressive developted during the monopoly and trust busting era of usa politics in the late 1800's

2018-01-10 19:18:55 UTC  

political definitions are such a pain in the ass

2018-01-10 19:19:10 UTC  

If you'd imagine the conservative and progressive as a male and female character trying to sustain their relationship/household but also their own dreams

2018-01-10 19:19:32 UTC  

progressivism is more of a direction than a set idea. In 100 years what will be progressive will be different from now or 100 years before

2018-01-10 19:19:55 UTC  

Same as conservative

2018-01-10 19:20:09 UTC  

It's relevant to the structure of society

2018-01-10 19:20:25 UTC  

Fundamentalists are like what came before that

2018-01-10 19:20:52 UTC  

Going back to the absolute bedrock of the society

2018-01-10 19:21:04 UTC  

i think conservitism can actually replace progressivism with the definition of "out with the less structurally sound/in with the more structurally sound" but from a different perspective "keep the more structurally sound/let go of the less structurally sound"

2018-01-10 19:21:14 UTC  

This is why the exact word used is absolutely integral. People will see the word and have to know what the idea is with it or make assumptions about what it is.

2018-01-10 19:21:40 UTC  

That's why I usually avoid the established terms

2018-01-10 19:22:10 UTC  

Because of their connotations, which aren't always descriptive of the original meaning

2018-01-10 19:22:23 UTC  

Yeah while progressivism is a moving word conservitism can be seen as a standing word if you look at them like that

2018-01-10 19:22:26 UTC  

It also makes for much nicer conversation

2018-01-10 19:22:35 UTC  

Conservatism is a stranding word

2018-01-10 19:23:00 UTC  

Fundamentalist would be the standing word

2018-01-10 19:23:05 UTC  

Also why I don't like the "left/right" divide. Makes it way too easy to discredit someone elses ideas simply because they use a word they identify with.

2018-01-10 19:23:24 UTC  

There's also a different meaning here in Europe

2018-01-10 19:23:29 UTC  

left/right

2018-01-10 19:23:36 UTC  

Yeah, like being on the right or left is supposed to be an inherently bad thing? It makes no sense. lol

2018-01-10 19:23:47 UTC  

From what I've heard other American pallerinos

2018-01-10 19:23:48 UTC  

I heard my mom say something like "isn't he a republican though?" or some shit like that. Like why does it matter which letter he has next to his name if he has good ideas.

2018-01-10 19:24:08 UTC  

The two party system was a dumb idea to reinforce, mang