Message from @NippleKing
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It's an escalation of liberalism, like communism is to socialism
Makes sense that they're the other end of conservatism
Or just like the puritians but more leftist
Degenerates?
That'd be the opposite, right?
Well tell me what your definition of liberalism is
Well forcing rules on others. Being moral busy bodies
I'd say liberalism is a generally positive demeanor to altering existing social constructs and laws to allow more people to feel more freedom in the way they live their life
That's authrotianism if your forcing rules on others, not liberalism
Through democracy?
Oh referencing the puritans
I wouldn't say progressivism is an escalation of liberalism as progressivism seems fine with barring previous freedoms in favor of their own definition of "progress"
Through democracy is the more complex bit
Like how we have them on both ends
if they think shutting down this one freedom to protect what they think the future will look like they will
Let's get some extreme polar opposites, for some ground
And for such superficial reasons.
it's generally because it makes them feel good lol
How is "oh, you might offend this group of people", any different from, "oh, you might offend the government?"
it's warped hypocritical liberalism. Not liberalism pushed to an extreme
Regardless of any possible improvements that may be introduced
OR
A group of people have a face while the government doesn't; if you know what I mean
Stay caused it worked before or change cause it might be for the better
Being breaking down any boundaries that are, regardless of their protection or importance and stability they may provide
Everything is relevant and therefore everyone has equal power
Those are the two polar opposites, right?
yeah pretty much
So where is the common ground in these two
Assuming horse shoe theory
preserving certain values that help benefit or don't harm while getting rid of values that don't benefit and may harm
Wanting to exist and retain existence
the problem is some values may seem harmful or inane but do more than that is apparent
and some values can be taken too far and become abusive
Well, there's also trying to change stuff without fully understanding what you're even trying to change. A perfect example of this is "the wage gap", wherein women make less money than men. It's easy to look at this and go "oh well that isn't right, we need to fix this."
The problem comes into play when no one bothers asking or looking into *why* this is the case.
Still. Maybe cause it moved ftom change since you hate what it was before to,change cause it benefits me or cause it makes me feel good.
Yeah that's mostly moral arbiting, jaden
not critisizing anyone, trying to follow this conversation, but i really dont know what anyone is talking about. like i know what your saying but im not sure what it relates to, and looking up through the chat didint help me figure out
You can make a group of people feel like they're doing what is morally good by supporting you. That's the democrats platform these days