https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2fVpiL5STk

When can we abandon the lefty definition of "Alt Right"?

b4 the election, Alt Right meant the Right that didn't feel represented by republicans, with their issues ignored

it had nothing to do with white supremacy or identity politics

(though that group existed inside it)

you know, i really wish he'd put on a fucking undershirt.

his choice of leather jacket but left open with no shirt on always perplexes me.

for one reason or another the alt right actually is being infected and overthrown by a ethnonationalistic internal movement trying to form it into a focused political group. the reasons why it could be turning this way are numorous but my hypothosis is that the mainstream media constantly refering to the movment in a certain canotation has simply molded the alt rights development by attracting the people the main stream media claims it was already a part of and by ostrasizing people who didint want to be associated with that kind of publicity. all of that slowly wore down the alt rights constitution, you saw cracks when people like milo left the alt right, that was the canary in the coalmine for what was happening

its an example of how you can create your own worst enemy in an enemy who was never as bad as you imagined them to be

exactly

that's why I said "lefty definition"

because they managed to make it that

but they left the original group of the Alt Right with no "glue"

what shall we call the original one?

Alt Alt Right?

it takes 2 to tango. if the alt right was stronger to begin with it could better resist that happening. but the actual strength of the alt right was how disorganized and disenfranchized it was and the only real resistance to internal change you can have would be organization and direction which is the opposite of what the alt right was. the alt right has always been an army waiting for a leader, once it gets that leader it will die and become whatever that leader wants it to be, if it was 2 years ago milo or some one else less extreme could be that leader but none of them were strong enough or possessing of enough conviction in order to see it through. the mainstream media didint just make the alt right what it is, it also scared away everyone else who could have made it anything different

how could you expect a "movement" with no goal or IRL members to be "stronger"?

the way i just said

everyone couldn't care less, and the left and the ones on the right concerned with identity politics took it over

they already had structure to use it as a marketing label

as i just said the alt right like many movments before it is people who all see a problem but all have their own interpritation for that problem and its gotten bad enough they feel a need to collectivize but wont form a direction until someone enough of them trust stands out. during that time it will cosntantly be influinced by the world around it, its been influinced so long ethnostatists are the growing majority when they were once a minority, a leader will likely form from that concoction

to be clear, I agree with what you said above

=p

it isn't and wasn't the majority, it just took over the label

i dont actually think styx is right that the alt right will implode, i think it will die and be born an ethnonationalist party, but i dont think that moment will be to weak to stand which he seems to though he doesent outright say it

i think thats a danger, it creates an envirnment very similar to pre nazi germany where the only partys at play are weak establisments and strong vicious extremists

(I'm at work, can't watch the video)
I would never support it, but think the _current_ "Alt Right"'s existence is needed for balance

they do have some valid points

i think anarcho communists have some valid points

i dont want either to be major partys

they are about to both be major partys

or atleast major social movements that influince what the big center think

>they are about to both be major partys
lolwut?

well yeah the alt right is big even if it loses 50% of its population it will still be a major influincer once it has direction

i dont think it will lose as many people as who dont actually support an ethnostate though because 1. name recognition and partasanship, and 2. lesser of 2 evils

if the left doubles down, people will

its been very clear to me recently just how little principles matter to people especially moderate people. look at the day of freedom when people who have a free speech event cant even back that up

ethnostate > communism

the alt right and antifa will sacrofice reason for their ideals, the liberalists will sacrofice ideals for reasons

just like I believe in the Free Market, but Nationalism and Protectionism become attractive compared to the left

i think in a war between extreme left and extreme right, right wins and we all lose