Message from @n-

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2018-05-12 01:10:47 UTC  

i think that question is part of the debate

2018-05-12 01:10:54 UTC  

different problems got different shit to it

2018-05-12 01:11:15 UTC  

ex. they say black on black crime kills the most black people, I don't think that's just Tyrone and Dr. Dre beefing

2018-05-12 01:11:24 UTC  

I think it's dudes trying to make money selling drugs

2018-05-12 01:12:10 UTC  

take the gun debate: people say take away all the guns is the answer, yet can't prove it will work. people say give more guns, but can't prove it will work. If we have no proof that either side will work, then how can we know we have the power to stop it?

2018-05-12 01:12:17 UTC  

in order to even fix that we'd have to be willing and able to divert resources to that

2018-05-12 01:13:01 UTC  

then there is the problem of are you actually even looking at the problem, yet alone solving it.

2018-05-12 01:13:07 UTC  

with any given issue

2018-05-12 01:13:13 UTC  

I watch a lot of TV and shit and I correlate what goes on in TV to wondering about what happens in reality. having never looked into it, I dunno how much is shit and how much isn't

2018-05-12 01:13:43 UTC  

but for example, I've finised watch ing The Wire, and the drug game there exists pretty much because... "what are you gonna do about it?"

2018-05-12 01:14:12 UTC  

the police departments, the government, everyone's hurting for money

2018-05-12 01:14:17 UTC  

except the damn criminals

2018-05-12 01:15:34 UTC  

well drugs is a good case study. the war on drugs is an utter failure. Not only was it started in part to jail political opponents, it has had the unintended side effect of making legal drugs more expensive and illegal drugs less so.

2018-05-12 01:16:00 UTC  

but attacking drugs didn't even go after the problem

2018-05-12 01:16:24 UTC  

addiction is a health problem, and jailing people for having a medical condition is a horrible way to treat this.

2018-05-12 01:16:51 UTC  

not to mention, it vilifies medicine with legit uses.

2018-05-12 01:17:26 UTC  

I should've mentioned I do this not just with TV but with games

2018-05-12 01:19:12 UTC  

playing Mount&Blade Warband, I drew a sort of correlation between those criminal elements, deserters/looters/etc. and people doing drug startups irl

2018-05-12 01:19:34 UTC  

eventually, if they go unnoticed for long enough, they reach a size or gain abilities you can't do much about

2018-05-12 01:19:45 UTC  

you might want to take your head out of the games a bit.

2018-05-12 01:19:53 UTC  

games are love

2018-05-12 01:19:54 UTC  

games are life

2018-05-12 01:20:06 UTC  

well, then don't confuse them with reality

2018-05-12 01:20:30 UTC  

besides, comparing them like that brings out interesting things

2018-05-12 01:20:44 UTC  

if you think GTA is how people act normally IRL, boy do you have a low respect for humanity

2018-05-12 01:20:53 UTC  

ex. that specific comparison made me realize, what's to ever stop someone else from starting up the drug game?

2018-05-12 01:21:11 UTC  

say you have a plan to wipe the streets clean of every single drug dealer, even on down to the lowest ranking member

2018-05-12 01:21:23 UTC  

and it works

2018-05-12 01:21:45 UTC  

it works until there is demand, and someone low on cash but access to drugs

2018-05-12 01:22:17 UTC  

yet another reason the war on drugs fails

2018-05-12 01:22:44 UTC  

(aside from the fact people have been getting high since the start of recorded history and before then even)

2018-05-12 01:24:15 UTC  

but i could say the same thing about guns as i do for the war on drugs. Take the AR-15 for example. It is an amazing hog hunting weapon. Wild hogs cause millions of dollars in damages to crops each year. Then tend to come in groups, which is why the AR-15 works so well. A bolt action won't let you kill many hogs after you laid some bait before the scatter. And the hogs you miss will most likely eat some of your crop by morning. This is one of a few reasons it got the nickname of a varmint rifle.

2018-05-12 01:24:30 UTC  

yet people see scary black rifle and assume there is no legit use for it

2018-05-12 01:25:02 UTC  

the focus on a symptom, not the problem, then wonder why the problem doesn't go away, or gets worse but is slightly hidden.

2018-05-12 01:26:20 UTC  

I didn't know any of that, especially about wild hogs. interestin

2018-05-12 01:26:53 UTC  

but yes, I've noticed that as it pertains to gun control, I don't think I've ever seen a guy who was actually intimately familiar with guns aiding with the control side of the argument

2018-05-12 01:27:22 UTC  

I don't think that means anything specifically, but I find that interesting because you'd think there would be one and that he'd be very well-known

2018-05-12 01:28:29 UTC  

like i said, most people who see guns go "big scary black gun" and the only place they have seen it was on the news (and you only really see bad things on the news mostly), and in the hands of bad guys in movies or at war

2018-05-12 01:29:43 UTC  

and given that a large part of the population lives in cities, i don't exactly blame them for being uneducated. In a city, where the police are within walking distance most of the time as is another human who might help, guns are nearly as necessary a tool outside of a deterrent

2018-05-12 01:30:03 UTC  

but leave the city and the cops are not seconds away, they are minutes or sometimes hours away

2018-05-12 01:30:11 UTC  

and thats if the problem is human